I don't normally like to root for failure, but seeing OLTL strategy to raise the ratings continue to blow up in their face, post-Kish...makes this bitter Kish fan happy.

You aren't alone. OLTL has made too many enemies from a variety of fanbases. That's part of the reason they're at the bottom of the ratings. I wasn't a Kish fan but I've never seen anything as foul as the way TPTB blamed Kish for the ratings. That was a new low.

Edited August 27, 201015 yr by marceline

They had me as a viewer with Kish and Todd/Tea pairing. They dumped Kish...add Ford brothers....yeah hot bods...but they would have to be shirtless 24/7 for me to watch cause they suck as actors. We now have the Ford brothers with Mama..and the whole lame pregnancy storylines..!'

Lame ass stories/hunky beef [!@#$%^&*] actors= failure!

I forget that other story with Blair and her new beau..another doozy of a bad story.

Yes Todd and Tea are still on but their story is so contrived!!

You aren't alone. OLTL has made too many enemies from a variety of fanbases. That's part of the reason they're at the bottom of the ratings. I wasn't a Kish fan but I've never seen anything as foul as the way TPTB blamed Kish for the ratings. That was a new low.

Yeah, I was a fan of Kish, Kim & Clint, Viki, Dorian...but they way they dumped Kish was a new low & turned me off of the whole show, so it's just B&B (& DOOL occasionally) for me now. After a long break, I've really enjoying B&B lately.

Edited August 27, 201015 yr by wingwalker

Yeah, I was a fan of Kish, Kim & Clint, Viki, Dorian...but they way they dumped Kish was a new low & turned me off of the whole show, so it's just B&B (& DOOL occasionally) for me now. After a long break, I've really enjoying B&B lately.

Same here.

Ugh. More men watched Y&R than women 18-49. I wonder if that's like hitting all 7's on a slot machine for Hogan. He goes to McDonald's and asks for numbers one through ten.

Ugh. More men watched Y&R than women 18-49. I wonder if that's like hitting all 7's on a slot machine for Hogan. He goes to McDonald's and asks for numbers one through ten.

Not much of a surprise there. No show hates women the way Y&R does. It's all about seedy looking men, allergic to the bathtub, who only see women as pieces of tail.

Not much of a surprise there. No show hates women the way Y&R does. It's all about seedy looking men, allergic to the bathtub, who only see women as pieces of tail.

Do you really think the men watching Y&R see women as "tail"? I would think if anything their eyes would be wandering over to Joshua Morrow and Thad Luckinbill. (are they both still on that show?)

Do you really think the men watching Y&R see women as "tail"?

That's how they are presented. Sharon in particular. Just look at the recent scene with Ashley and Tucker which was all about a virile man pushing himself on a woman to get her hot.

Love that ATWT is ahead in Total Viewers over AMC and OLTL. It's closing in on Days too. ATWT is #2 in 12-17 category. They beat other soaps in various catgories as well.

GH....Brenda's return is a bust! The ratings are actually about the same as last week. The only reason GH is up this week is because last week they counted a repeat.

OLTL numbers are atrocious! Yeah, the Kish guys made OLTL hit low ratings. The Ford brothers numbers are even worse than supposedly Kish's.

Agreed, Atwt even managed to tie at 4th place in 18-34 demo where they always come in dead last place and far behind their closest rivals at the bottom. I'm actually impressed by the shows year to date growth and would have to guess, based on the current pattern, that the program would gain even more past the finale in September. It has a plum time slot, follows the top rated soaps, and would be fine with the proper focus. I think they will do really well based on this weeks material come next weeks ratings. It was far from perfect but this weeks shows had a great mix of characters and story.

The Brenda repeats were a bomb! They should have worked her in differently, maybe letting her spend a few days on AMc, then OLTL and finally GH as part of an inter-connected storyline. Brenda was big but not this big. Imagine if CBS had done this for the return of Ashley Abbot on Y&R: BARF!

Was thinking it is too bad CBS did not buy the rights to ATWT characters: Barbara and Henry would have been a great fit for Campy B&B. Also, they could have taken NUKe and made a new show for LOGO. I'd bet that PGP would have sold cheap--dead shows have little value.

Do you really think the men watching Y&R see women as "tail"? I would think if anything their eyes would be wandering over to Joshua Morrow and Thad Luckinbill. (are they both still on that show?)

Wrong! The majority of male soap watchers are str8. If the majority of viewers were gay, ATWT and KISH OLTL would have been top-rated in the male demo instead of in last place. Gay guys like watching gay guys--pretty logical. Right now, World gets very few male viewers; however, until Nuke, they generally came in at 3ed or 4th place. I just highly doubt that gay men refuse to watch gay-themed soap.

I have a feeling that if not for Brenda GH would be much lower in the ratings at the moment. Basically while they may not have had a significant bump, they've managed to stay stable suggesting that while Brenda's return may not attracted new (or lapsed) viewers it maybe has encouraged those who are fed up with the show to hang in there a little while longer.

Of course this probably means that once the luster of Brenda's return has well and truly worn off, GH will see significant drops.

I didn't think of that. You're right. I hope that money was worth it...

I actually think OLTL has gotten a little better the past few weeks but if people just tune in and see the Edsels and tune back out I can't blame them.

It HAS improved (by some degree) although they've now made Ford Jr about as unlikeable as his brother, and I could care less about David being in Morocco again... I have to say I'm kinda surprised OLTL is dead last in male viewers (though most of the numbers aren't too diff really)--in many ways *in a cliched sense* it seems like one of the more masculine soaps on air--they love serial killer storylines, you see cops and the police station every single day...

Edited August 27, 201015 yr by EricMontreal22

Wrong! The majority of male soap watchers are str8. If the majority of viewers were gay, ATWT and KISH OLTL would have been top-rated in the male demo instead of in last place. Gay guys like watching gay guys--pretty logical. Right now, World gets very few male viewers; however, until Nuke, they generally came in at 3ed or 4th place. I just highly doubt that gay men refuse to watch gay-themed soap.

I don't think that's fully true. I do think a lot more straight guys watch than the cliche that still exists--and maybe it's a lot more than gays, but there was a study done in the mid 90s (it's talked about in the book Worlds Without End which is a collection of essays around the Museum of Broadcasting's soap exhibit at the time). Anyway they found AMC *at the time* had the largest gay viewership (this was just before they did their gay story) the reasoning why was they liked the campy comic characters like Opal, and the divas like Erica--those were the overwhelmingly chosen reasons. All the gay guys who watch soaps watch primarily what every show(s) they formed their habit on. It's true as a young teen I started watching One Life after AMC because of the Billy douglas gay storyline but all my gay friends who watch ATWT (except maybe a few who have seen some Nuke on youtube) watched years before Nuke came on.

^^^^^Speaking as a gay guy, although I appreciate Nuke and Kish, I don't relate to either one. They wouldn't be a reason for me to tune in. I just think they were played too safe. Give me the divas and drama. JMO...

I admit Nuke made me tune in a bit more--especially at first (I always sorta followed ATWT though so it wasn't like tuning into a brand new soap) but I'm far from the average casual soap viewer who really does follow their show(s) and that's pretty much it. On the other hand, even though I'm a big fan, I can't help but agree at getting some pleasure by the fact that OLTL has clearly proven that their veiled comments about Kish causing ratings to drop, really didn't have much truth at all...

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