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Could the Leno/O'Brien fiasco hurt DAYS?

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I think you're onto something. I don't see NBC messing around after this fiasco. If DAYS turns a profit, which of course it does because it's run on a very small budget and is the #3 rated soap and tops in the demos, it's one of NBC's few successes. That said, the mismanagement at this network is revolting, so who knows what that Jeff Zucker will do.

I do think that CBS is circling thanks to the shows relationship with Sony. As you point out, not one word has been uttered about a replacement for ATWT. Not one word. If I was in Sony's position, I would be demanding a 2 year deal from NBC, for I think that's what CBS would be offering since that's what it's working with for the Bell soaps, incidentally, if DAYS joined CBS, the 2 year deal would make even more sense since it would expire the exact same time as the Y&R and B&B deals.

Y&R, B&B and DAYS, as a set lineup, would slaughter ABC Daytime.

Of course, this is all wishful thinking and I won't be surprised if NBC cancels it. That's just how that ridiculous network rolls. If anything, at least if NBC cancels it for this coming September, at least it goes out on a real high note for the show hasn't been this good in a decade.

Days, with B&B with a lead in, would never fall below a 2.0 and, I'm guesinng, would carry a 2.3. While this isn't amazing, it is better than ATWT ratings for the last year. Personally, I think B&B is weak and a Y&R, Days, B&B pairing would do well. Days does almost as well as B&B WITHOUT a strong lead in so my guess is that it would rank higher than B&B in the slot following Y&R. Y&R followed by Days would be a killer tag team!

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I find the possible theory of DAYS joining Y&R and B&B on CBS to be very interesting. I don't see it happening but nothing about the soap industry lately surprises me. If CBS could make money off having DAYS at CBS should NBC cancel the show then they just might snatch it up.

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Y&R, B&B and DAYS would be unstoppable if you ask me. That lineup offers something for everyone and as each show is not too different from the others it could hold onto viewers with ease, contrast that to AMC, OLTL and GH, jarring differences in tone, cast makeup and writing...the only thing the ABC soaps have in common is that they're all crap, though AMC seems to be turning the corner (and it isn't as if Y&R is hot sh*t these days, it is terrible).

The way DAYS is filmed now if NBC messed around with the Burbank studios lot they'd jump ship to anywhere, DAYS can be packed and unpacked like a circus tent nowadays. I'm willing to bet it could share studio space at CBS Television City with Y&R and B&B since those two shows go dark one day a week, DAYS would operate on those sound stages on the dark days and film on one day when Y&R and B&B are taping, it wouldn't be hard, just a bit of coordination.

As you rightly point out Mark, soaps, thus far, have failed when they've jumped networks. But I think because DAYS is all by itself on NBC it could be the soap to buck that trend. DAYS fans are the most loyal soap fans there are, ever were or ever will be. If CBS promoted the jump, which would be insane for them not to do, it could be a big success.

It would go against what Les Moonves had talked about ('the days of the client owned soap are over'), but as we know, these execs say one thing and plan another.

If I was NBC, I'd be preparing a 2 year renewal offer to DAYS, no cuts, no raises, just a continuance of what they have because what they've got going right now is something pretty excellent.

I could see this. Not this year because people would be too angry if one canceled soap is immediatelly replaced by another but if DAYS fullfils the requirements they have for an automatic pickup and survivies till 2011 I think it´s viable variant. Brad Bell said very bluntly everybody in the business knew P/G was losing money on their soaps so they did zero effort to save them. But for Sony it´s still viable product and they have good relationship with CBS. And replacing a struggling gameshow after year will make zero controversy.

And there is also the thing with current DAYS studio which NBC wants to sell and the new owner demolish. So DAYS will have to move anyway.

I could see this. Not this year because people would be too angry if one canceled soap is immediatelly replaced by another but if DAYS fullfils the requirements they have for an automatic pickup and survivies till 2011 I think it´s viable variant. Brad Bell said very bluntly everybody in the business knew P/G was losing money on their soaps so they did zero effort to save them. But for Sony it´s still viable product and they have good relationship with CBS. And replacing a struggling gameshow after year will make zero controversy.

And there is also the thing with current DAYS studio which NBC wants to sell and the new owner demolish. So DAYS will have to move anyway.

Yes, there is an option with the current Days contract that ends in September, 2010. The contract would extend to March, 2011 if certain criteria are met. It was never publicly stated what that criteria is but it probably has to do with ratings and/or staying under budget.

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I like the idea of Days joining CBS it works and would destroy ABC line up it would put the top 3 soaps on one network. also don't forget Korday's long relationship with the Bell family infact he owns a small piece of the Y&R so thats another factor that might come into play. im sure someone where Barbra Bloom is licking her chops waiting for Days to become available.

Sony + Korday + the Bells = Days jumping to CBS come september

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NBC canceling doesn't necessarily threaten DOOL if (as you say) they could find a home at CBS.

Days will die on NBC.

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Days will die on NBC.

Exactly. I dont get why people always think that once a soap is cancelled, theres a good chance its going to get picked up by any of the other major networks. Soaps are a dying genre and eventually I see all looking to get rid of them.

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I fear there will be nothing on TV, but realities and game shows.

:unsure:

There is still a ton of scripted television(and some good stuff) and I am sure will continue to be, you just have to sift thought hundreds of stations now to find it versus 3 broadcast networks.

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Exactly. I dont get why people always think that once a soap is cancelled, theres a good chance its going to get picked up by any of the other major networks. Soaps are a dying genre and eventually I see all looking to get rid of them.

No one thought that AMC would move to L.A. either.

Soaps may be a dying genre, but that doesn't mean Brian Frons and Barbara Bloom won't do whatever they have to do to save their jobs. Having multiple properties on the lineup that need oversight keeps them employed. And especially given DAYS' ratings rebound, the show looks attractive to CBS and especially ABC. No, ABC wouldn't own DAYS, but that doesn't mean Frons can't make suggestions to Corday.

A show like ATWT or GL, I could see you saying that. But DAYS has the support of a production company that makes money off of its domestic and international distribution and has a solid, third place lead above all its other competitors.

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No one thought that AMC would move to L.A. either.

Soaps may be a dying genre, but that doesn't mean Brian Frons and Barbara Bloom won't do whatever they have to do to save their jobs. Having multiple properties on the lineup that need oversight keeps them employed. And especially given DAYS' ratings rebound, the show looks attractive to CBS and especially ABC. No, ABC wouldn't own DAYS, but that doesn't mean Frons can't make suggestions to Corday.

A show like ATWT or GL, I could see you saying that. But DAYS has the support of a production company that makes money off of its domestic and international distribution and has a solid, third place lead above all its other competitors.

Oh there is no question but for Frons, I truly believe with the success of The View, if he could package it up and air it or 3 hybrids in place of AMC, OLTL, and GH on daytime I have no doubt he would. And Bloom has already replaced GL with gameshows. Their job is to oversee CBS and ABC daytime and if something more profitable and hot would come along, I've no doubt they'd ditch the soaps in a red hot minute. I think fortunately for the soaps, aside from a popular show here and there, nothing universal has really come to surface to replace these shows so they must still make a tidey profit for their networks. In retrospect I thought Days might stand a chance of being picked up by CBS but after thinking more about it and Les Moonves's comments about soaps, I don't see it. But I am really going to be interested on how Real Housewives does in syndication during the day.

All said, I don't think Days is going anywhere. NBC has a mess on their hands just working to revitalize Primetime and LateNight.

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I fear there will be nothing on TV, but realities and game shows.

:unsure:

There will be a lot of great stuff on TV...eventually. Right now we are seeing so many shifts: Viewing habits, DVR, great cable shows, the internet, video games with adverts. Change is coming, once the industry gets a grip. I do think broadcast will look more and more like cable in the years to come with shows airing 2 or more times a day. Imagine in ABC showed prime time repeats during the day and the money they would save. Eventually, we will build our own Networks made up of the shows we like all from different channels. You might right now DVR House, Days, 30 Rock and Dexter and watch that on a Monday night. Things will become even more complex in the years to come.

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