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Linda Gottlieb article 1992

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I know this woman elicits strong feelings among some posters here.

Here's an article from 92.I think Connie Passalacqua(Marlena DeLaCroix was the writer)

When the daytime soap world gathers at the Sheraton New York Hotel tonight for the 19th annual Daytime Emmy Awards, the main schmooze for once won't be Susan Lucci's 12-time failure to win the best actress statuette. The buzz instead will be about the ABC soap opera "One Life to Live, " whose new producer, Linda Gottlieb, has been making a controversial attempt to revolutionize the stagnant daytime soap opera form.

Gottlieb, who produced the hit film "Dirty Dancing, " had no prior daytime soap experience when she took the job last July. In the insular world of daytime television, which traditionally promotes and hires from within, her name may as well be Fletcher Christian.

' "One Life to Live' is the anti-soap, " says Robert Rorke, senior editor of Soap Opera Digest. "Like a soap opera antihero, you never know what it's going to do next. "

Soap audiences used to perfect-looking actors and actresses have tuned into such scenes as one in which a bald man (Paul Bartel) defended a psychotic woman for murder; the key clue to that murder may have been provided by an even balder man (Wallace Shawn). In a world where it's de rigueur for soap hunks to be monosyllabic, "One Life to Live " characters quote Shakespeare and recite the poetry of Burns, Donne, Rossetti and Shelley. In a genre that spins on endless romances, fantasy and froth, one recent "OLTL " storyline hinged on a scene straight out of "The Snake Pit " -- one character's visit to the sanitarium where her sister grew up.

"I had hoped by the end of my stint that I would be able to do for the world of daytime what Steven Bochco did for nighttime TV, " says Gottlieb, referring to the writer-producer whose "Hill Street Blues " revolutionized the hour police drama. "He took a form that was mired in its own preconceptions and brought it into the modern world. He showed things that were rough and uneven, and that characters aren't gorgeous all the time. And that's what makes his shows seem alive. Look, I've hired a guy with a scar on his face (Mark Brettschneider, who plays teen rebel Jason Webb). "

That's just one of her changes. Gottlieb, who admits she had never watched a daytime soap before agreeing to take the helm of "One Life to Live, " says, "It's rare to have a chance to come in to something that you don't know anything about. Either it means you are going to fall on your face or you're free to rethink it. "

Soaps had never kept up with new technology, says Gottlieb, who has introduced film-like post-production techniques, including computerized music editing. Gottlieb envisions making music as intrinsic to the success of "One Life to Live " as it was to "Dirty Dancing. " She has already hired personal friends Judy Collins (to sing a love theme) and off-Broadway composer Elizabeth Swados (to score a location sequence). And she has also used such cult actors as Bartel ( "Eating Raoul ") and Shawn ( "My Dinner With Andre ") in guest roles.

"Why not get the best people working for this medium? We're reaching a ton of people. It's as if soaps in the past have been self-conscious adolescents saying, 'We're gawky; we'd better not go after the good-looking guys,' " she says in an interview in her office at "OLTL's " West Side studio.

Gottlieb's most valuable, if not radical, hire has been head writer Michael Malone, a former University of Pennsylvania professor and well-reviewed author of such complex novels as "Time's Witness " and the recent "Foolscap. " Most head writers are veterans who hop from show to show, but Malone, like Gottlieb, had no soap experience.

Not everyone is sold on her approach. "There are tried-and-true rules that make a soap work, " says Freeman Gunter, a managing editor of Soap Opera Weekly. "Gottlieb wants to reinvent the wheel, but the wheel's already been here for 40 years. Some think it's working just fine. "

Indeed, in Gottlieb's rush to innovate, she has cast aside the three crucial soap opera elements that have kept audiences addicted since the dawn of TV:

* Continuity: In an admirable attempt to pick up the slow pace of soaps, "One Life to Live " has done several short-term, close-ended storylines -- on such subjects as wife-beating and prejudice -- reminiscent to the arcs used on the prime-time drama "Wiseguy. " But these stories simply ended, leaving viewers free to zap to other soaps. "In soaps, continuity is the most important element in building ratings and audiences, " says Douglas Marland, head writer of CBS' "As the World Turns. "

* Familiarity: "What makes a soap work for people is the familiarity they feel with characters -- the predictability, " Gunter says. "They're shocked when they tune in and see a character acting like they're on a medication which doesn't agree with them. " Under Gottlieb, the heroic Viki Buchanan (played by Erika Slezak), the show's central focus for 23 years, was suddenly pushed to the back burner and was transformed from a kindly, liberal figure into a meddling mother-in-law.

* Likability: Soap audiences tune in every day to see characters they love or love to hate, no matter how stereotypical they seem. In an attempt to build more complex, lifelike characters, Malone's creations are many shades of gray.

In her defense, Gottlieb says she's not producing the show for the soap audience, but more from her own tastes and instincts.

As with any insurgent, there has been resistance toward Gottlieb in the soap industry. "She's perceived as arrogant for saying she can reinvent something that everyone else has been doing for so long, " Gunter says.

Others, however, feel that soap operas, whose formats haven't changed much in 40 years, desperately need a kick. "Soaps have never responded to the new competition presented by cable and video, " says Soap Opera Digest's Rorke. "Soap audiences also now include substantial percentages of men and college students as well as the traditional audience of homemakers. If Gottlieb is being dynamic and shaking things up, then good for her. "

And there is evidence that Gottlieb's gambles may be paying off, even if the soap was not nominated this year for an Emmy as best daytime serial. "One Life to Live " (seen weekdays at 1 p.m. on ABC, Channels 7, 3, 10 and 42) ranked 10th (out of 11) in the ratings when Gottlieb arrived last year and is now fifth. Still, that's not as high as it reached through most of the '80s, when it placed third or fourth.

Gottlieb says she's aware of the negative industry talk about her attempts. She shrugs: "You've just got to keep pushing the envelope. The great thing about soaps is if you fail one day, you can pick yourself up and try something else the next. "

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Primetime and daytime are not genre categories.

Primetime isn't.

But daytime soaps sure are. I am assuming this is the sense in which the terms is used?

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Primetime isn't.

But daytime soaps sure are. I am assuming this is the sense in which the terms is used?

No. Daytime is a part of the day when stuff airs/programming block. Not only soaps air in daytime slots.

Daytime serial, daytime soap opera is a different matter.

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No. Daytime is a part of the day when stuff airs/programming block. Not only soaps air in daytime slots.

Daytime serial, daytime soap opera is a different matter.

So clever of you to point out minutiae Sylph. Anything insightful to share?

Anyway, never been a Gottlieb fan. To me, her OLTL was very very 90s in a bad way. Too PC, too trying to be "cool." The exact opposite of OLTL under Rauch. That said, ratings went up under her tenure. OLTL was a popular show again. But I just don't feel she was true to the show. She produced a daytime "thirtysomething" and attracted new viewers, but IMO her tenure led to OLTL's upcoming demise.

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So clever of you to point out minutiae Sylph. Anything insightful to share?

Look who is back. :lol::rolleyes: When people don't see the obvious, it calls for pointing out. And no, the tone of my post wasn't: You're a stupid idiot, how can you not see that daytime is not a genre? D'oh! Just for you to know. :)

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Back to the Carla topic for a moment - people always dog on Agnes Nixon (including Holly herself) for "abandoning" the show, but I personally have moved beyond that. What was particularly striking to me is footage I saw from Agnes doing press for OLTL's anniversary in '08, in which she (yet again) discussed the Carla Gray story, a topic well-worn in PR for the show by now. Except when Agnes discussed it, though it's so many years gone now, and described the scene in which Carla was revealed to be Sadie's daughter, she broke down crying on-camera.

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She offered Ellen her job at Loving which I think Ellen saw as a snub (both Carla and her mom would join) but honestly I think was Agnes trying to make amends--she didn't have power over Rauch at OLTL anyway so couldn't really do anything but she did talk about (in the Paley 1988 seminars on her site) how Loving was too white and I bet she wanted to move the characters there partly for this reason (AMC at the time already had a strong Black presence, probably the strongest of any soap then). It's too bad Ellen didn't take it.

And yes in the same interviews Agnes also mentions the scene where we learn that Carla is Sadie's daughter (it was a Friday cliffhangar ending with Carla calling her "mama") and, liek Vee says, Agnesclearly starts crying saying she found it so moving. While I wish Agnes had maintained thecontrol at OLTL she did at AMC (and Loving even if that didn't exactly cause much success) I get why she didn't.

Carla also was involved in one of the first interacial romances, something often forgotten. I don't mean her romance when audiences assumed she was white, but in the late 70s when she briefly gotinvolved with the surgeon who saved her husband, Ed's, life, Dr Jack Scott. Agnes aknowledges this in the same interviewswhen asked aboutinteracial romances but does admit that it was clear rom the start that she'd always end up back with Ed. Did Ed leave aroudn the same time Ellen left (not the first time in 81 but the final time in 85)?

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While I wish Agnes had maintained thecontrol at OLTL she did at AMC (and Loving even if that didn't exactly cause much success) I get why she didn't.

Why?

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Jack Scott was not white; he was played by a black actor, Arthur Burghardt (sp?), from the NY stage who Ellen Holly hated working with. I believe Carla married Jack, who died, then she left town to return several years later, having suddenly become a lawyer.

During that second stint, which I believe was under the Corringtons with their whole mob mess with Alex Crown and Laurel Chapin, the show had what Holly called something like "a silly little quad" with Ed dating Phylicia Rashad's character, sports press agent Courtney Wright, and cougar Carla dating quarterback Alec Lowndes (Roger Hill from "The Warriors," who Holly had a passionate affair with offscreen). (Alec Lowndes' football team was, I believe, owned by Bo.) The objective was for Ed and Carla to eventually reunite but that's before my time and judging by the limited episodes from the period I've seen, I'm not sure if that happened before Carla left Ed and Llanview again to take a judgeship in...Arizona, I think?

I know Ed didn't leave the show til several years later, in the late '80s at the earliest. I always wondered how exactly Larry Fishburne's Josh gave birth to a full-grown twentysomething son, Jared, by 2000. Also, in looking at the clips of Carla and Sadie discussing her troubles with Ed in the '80s, I noticed how like the Erika Slezak of the '90s Holly came across - a black Viki crying to her mom.

I also wish Carla and Sadie had migrated to Loving. Given Angie and Frankie's own passage through Corinth and the timeslot wilds of ABC Daytime, I'll wager that if they had, we might see more Halls today. Like the Hubbards, the family would still be recent in the viewer consciousness.

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HAHA my bad--well she mentioned an interacial relationship on OLTL and I assumed it was that--that it was a brief affair more kind of thing. Dunno whatit was then...

I atually didn't realize there were clips on youtube of Carla and her mom--I'll have to track them down.

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Why?

While she did write GL and AW at the same time briefly, and then wrote AW and OLTL because of contract issues for about 8 months at the same time, Agnes did say it was hard to focus on more than one show (she did just that with Loving but it's probably telling that, in the 80s anyway, whenever she'd focus more on Loving AMC tended to suffer a bit, and Loving was a bit of a mess when she wasn't there--post Marland). AMC was the show she had more ofa personalconnection with (it being her first creation, and she has said she based it a bit more on her life and people she knew), both shows had been sold to ABC so it was harder to keep control of both, etc, etc

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While she did write GL and AW at the same time briefly, and then wrote AW and OLTL because of contract issues for about 8 months at the same time, Agnes did say it was hard to focus on more than one show (she did just that with Loving but it's probably telling that, in the 80s anyway, whenever she'd focus more on Loving AMC tended to suffer a bit, and Loving was a bit of a mess when she wasn't there--post Marland). AMC was the show she had more ofa personalconnection with (it being her first creation, and she has said she based it a bit more on her life and people she knew), both shows had been sold to ABC so it was harder to keep control of both, etc, etc

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The only interracial romance I'm aware of Carla having was with Jim Craig in the '60s, when she was passing.

There are several '80s episodes on YouTube with Ed, Carla and Sadie, including the amusing sight of Ed and Carla hitting the hot dance clubs.

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:mellow:

LOL you don't buy any of my arguments? I just woke up and I admit I'm not thinking as clearly as I sometimes do (not that my posts are ever clear) but...

Vee, maybe it was an interacial relationship with another character? hrmmm Found a bunch of clips with Carla from Dec 83-Jan 84 (the end credits for one say this was when Sam Hall was co HW very briefly with Henry Slesar)

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