Why is Jack to blame for everything? Is Peter Bergman next on the contract hit list? It’s his fault and not Victor's that Patty is in the state she's in? He might have treated her like a toy, but Mary Jane never came across as vulnerable. Billy is the good brother who goes to help Ashley while Jack is too self-involved. Something stinks here.

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I think Mac is there because they want us to see that Billy can't go back to the past, he can't be a saint. He has to be the a$$hole Billy that they think viewers love. Chloe is supposed to be his soulmate, the one who knows the "real" him. Not Mackenzie. Mackenzie is a frump who drags him down.

The problem with this is that the Chloe/Billy relationship was never developed enough to make this triangle work. I don't believe that Chloe knows the real Billy any more than Mackenzie does. I don't believe that Billy cares a bit about Chloe. I think giving them a baby was a dumb idea, and the child seems completely irrelevant to the storyline now. I actually forget they have a child half the time.

Mackenzie is there to prop Chloe much like Lily was when Chloe was glued to Cane's boring ass.

Mackenzie is there to prop Chloe much like Lily was when Chloe was glued to Cane's boring ass.

Yes, Cane/Lily did seem to have the propping duties. Didn't you think that story was supposed to go on longer? It was very abruptly dropped, as were Billy's feelings for Lily. I think that may be why they brought Mackenzie back, to take over Lily's role, as Chance has taken over Cane's role.

I still think that when they developed, slightly, the Cane/Chloe relationship towards the end, it was one of Chloe's more passable pairings. I haven't really seen any chemistry with her and the other men, aside from Devon.

Yes, Cane/Lily did seem to have the propping duties.

Billy, Lily & Cane were almost totally wrecked to prop Chloe's schizo ass.

It was very abruptly dropped, as were Billy's feelings for Lily. I think that may be why they brought Mackenzie back, to take over Lily's role, as Chance has taken over Cane's role.

Pretty much.

For someone who was "falling in love" Billy acts like he doesn't even know Lily anymore.

I still think that when they developed, slightly, the Cane/Chloe relationship towards the end, it was one of Chloe's more passable pairings. I haven't really seen any chemistry with her and the other men, aside from Devon.

Yep.

Liz Hendrickson has WAY more chemistry with Bryton & Ostrich Boy than she ever has with Driscoll or Miller.

But one is Black & the other is Wack so neither relationship will ever happen.

Billy, Lily & Cane were almost totally wrecked to prop Chloe's schizo ass.

I remember that "maid's daughter" scene, where I think we were supposed to be appalled, but for once I really thought CK brought her A game and I actually agreed with Lily. It doesn't help that the whole 'my mother sent me to boarding school and neglected me and I hate her' stuff, which was practically dropped on Chloe's head, was so manufactured. I guess that's more potpurri but nearly a year later I'm still baffled about their writing choices with that character.

I don't think I would mind Chance/Chloe if they used that to move away from her love life and help develop her more, but I think she did spark better with the earlier men. I remember really enjoying the Devon/Chloe arguments.

Interestingly enough I find BM most have chemistry with EH. Go figure

Interestingly enough I find BM most have chemistry with EH. Go figure

Billy's best chemistry to me is with Eileen Davidson.

Chloe doesn't need anyone to prop her, EH has enough charisma and talent that if TIIC just knew how to write characters, she could be the new Jill. Plot Plot PLOT has damaged so many of these characters. I don't blame the actors because it is not their job to write dialogue that is fitting for their characters. When Billy and Chloe were first put in scenes together I thought their chemistry was great and really thought they would be great lovers/sparring partners like Jill and Jack. Then it changed overnight like BM and EH had a falling out, or they were directed to tone it down to support their pairings with others, and in the process all these couples are sparkless.

If all they had planned for Mac was a Friday cliff hanger, they should have had her walk in at the end of the wedding and then gone back to Dafur. When an 80+ couple like Katherine and Murphy are more exciting than a former "Supercouple" like Billy and Mac then there is something seriously wrong.

I think it wasn't EH who needed propping, moreso the writers themselves. They made Chloe a stalker/psycho and then apparently decided to backtrack, when there was never any need to make her crazy in the first place. This character was made so needlessly all over the place, in regards to her relationships with both Cane and Billy.

I think she's found a groove since then, because she was never as far gone as someone like Adam (and I think she's a better fit for Chloe than MM is for Adam), but I'm still not sure if they know what to do with her. I think she needs to be kept away from Billy for a long while.

Billy should be drinking and driving one night and run over Deacon and Victoria, killing Deacon and leaving Vicky in a coma until they find a less coma inducing actress. Then he can get off with a fine, community service, AA and a re-invigorated rivalry with JT.

They keep putting blame on him more to make others look better than to actually make any point or character growth for Jack. They do this to Jack to give excuses for Victor, and also to make Billy look like the better brother.

I just think this is too simplistic. Jack bears some responsibility for the Patty of today--period! And he treated Mary Jane is some pretty shallow ways too (heck, wasn't he fighting for his marriage at the time he sl*tted around with both Phyllis and Mary Jane??). I simply don't agree with either of the assertions above.

Liz Hendrickson has WAY more chemistry with Bryton & Ostrich Boy than she ever has with Driscoll or Miller.

YES! I'd enjoy seeing that!

Billy's best chemistry to me is with Eileen Davidson.

I really liked drunken Billy and Sharon. For the first time, the two of them just had some fun. I actually wish they'd pursue this some more from a healthier place. Like Phyllis with Nick, maybe the two of them just provide a fun, safe harbor from the rest of the world.

I think Billy and Chloe are pretty damn hot. If this show has to refocus on younger people you could do far worse than Miller and Hendrickson. As for Mac, I have no idea how they recast her with this blonde diesel chick with a face like Glenn Close on a five-day bender.

YES! I'd enjoy seeing that!

Well, I wouldn't. For sure. Clumsy, nerdy Bryton & La Hend? Nope.

La Hend & Miller - superhot on fire.

Well, I wouldn't. For sure. Clumsy, nerdy Bryton & La Hend? Nope.

La Hend & Miller - superhot on fire.

DeeeDee is picking up, I think, on some angry scenes between Bryton and Chloe (after her betrayal of Lily was revealed). Bryton had as much passion and energy as he's shown in a while.

Bryton is capable of playing more than nerdy...but the writing seldom supports him in that goal these days.

I really enjoy the comic chemistry between Hendrickson and Miller, but I don't really pick up the romantic/sexual chemistry there. I find that Chloe is actually weakened by her association with Billy.

Referencing another post, I really like this Mackenzie (diesel-looking, bender notwithstanding). I just pick up this wounded-creature vibe. I just want someone to comfort her, heal her. I know that sounds sick, but she's been through so much (stepdaddy Ralph, homelessness, separation from her 'true love' by relatedness, lost baby [and love] with JT, Darfur, estrangement from her mother). It totally makes sense to me that she is dour and gloomy.

What I want is for someone to sense all that pain in her, and to love her anyway. I'd like to finally see her find some joy, some trust. I totally buy Clementine's portrayal.

DeeeDee is picking up, I think, on some angry scenes between Bryton and Chloe (after her betrayal of Lily was revealed). Bryton had as much passion and energy as he's shown in a while.

Bryton is capable of playing more than nerdy...but the writing seldom supports him in that goal these days.

I really enjoy the comic chemistry between Hendrickson and Miller, but I don't really pick up the romantic/sexual chemistry there. I find that Chloe is actually weakened by her association with Billy.

Sadly, I'm done with Bryton and his character. Which is kind of depressing, it is just another character which got fully destroyed by this regime and nothing a possible following one can do can change that.

I find it that Chloe could eat him for breakfast, she is a "towering figure" and I don't think he can be her "equal", to use a wrong expression.

Hendrickson is weakened by her association with Billy because she is written as a pen!s-obsessed idiot and dumb female. And Billy as a complete jerk. A lethal combo. Anyway, I think they could be a hot couple just for a while, then be done forever.