I'm hoping for an excellent baby switch, because I love them. (I know I'm one of the few).

I basically like Muhney. When he is allowed to show some vulnerability, it softens him. That said, I acknowledge he could do more... CE is gone, I'm over it, so I'm comfortable with "investing" in Muhney's Adam. I feel he is much more competent than Hayley Erin, Christel Khalil, etc...so I'd want to lose him after many of the others.

I'd like to see Adam now positioned as the new "ruthless". I think it can be done. I'm sick of squandering these characters, and the disposable mentality of this regime. Thus, I want Adam restored, not discarded. And, yes, if James Stenbeck and Roger Thorpe could live and continue...so can Adam Newman. All of this is clearly just my opinion...not expecting others to agree.

I'd like to see Adam now positioned as the new "ruthless". I think it can be done. I'm sick of squandering these characters, and the disposable mentality of this regime. Thus, I want Adam restored, not discarded. And, yes, if James Stenbeck and Roger Thorpe could live and continue...so can Adam Newman. All of this is clearly just my opinion...not expecting others to agree.

I agree. I don't specifically want Muhney gone, I want him to be MADE OVER to look younger, and I want him to adjust his acting. Alot of what makes him look old is his forehead, and some bangs can fix THAT easy enough. I don't think Adam is RUINED... I mena, look at how Victor was started, holding Michael Scott hostage in the basement of the ranch, piping in video of him f@cking Julia, and feeding him rats. If they can bring Victor back from THAT......then there is hope for Adam.

None of that is in par with burning a woman's fetus, ans stealing another woman's baby and trying to pass it off as someone else's.

After that, the entire Newman family, as well as Ashley and the Abbots should hate him for life. When this is all revealed, I cannot imagine anyone seriously ever getting past that and coming to like this loon and ruined character.

I think it's best Adam goes to prison for a year or two OFF SCREEN, when this is all revealed.

He can then come back with a recast in the role, and one that actually looks like the age the character should be.

I'd like to see Adam now positioned as the new "ruthless". I think it can be done. I'm sick of squandering these characters, and the disposable mentality of this regime. Thus, I want Adam restored, not discarded. And, yes, if James Stenbeck and Roger Thorpe could live and continue...so can Adam Newman. All of this is clearly just my opinion...not expecting others to agree.

The bold part says it all really...

Look at the writers this show has, and look at the character writing for all of the next generation characters - not good.

He's committed too many crimes in such a short period of time, like Patty, how many is too many? After a while, this whitewashing of crimes gets old and leads to people getting sick of these characters. It causes too much damage that the audience will refuse to get over. You may like Gloria, but many still can't get passed the skin cream fiasco and many never will. The audience isn't stupid, as Y&R likes to think these days.

Edited October 8, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

JT went for YEARS without sex (during his romance with the underage Lyndsy Fonseca). This was after being the horndog-extraordinare before that.

He had sex.

Not all the time.

But he DID have sex. lol

Muhney is pissing me OFF today. All this "furrowed brow" crap is about the drive me COMPLETELY up the wall! It's just as bad as Sabryn Genet when she kept shaking her head in EVRY line of dialogue. Besides looking 40 (Today he looked 43) I've come to the conclusion that it's his mannerisms and facial expressions that is tanking his perfromances for me. His breakdown on the stairs? I felt NOTHING, now Alvin wants to bark about hollow performances.. THAT was hollow, and NOT because of the writing, because Muhney plays the part with NO vulnerable subtext or ANY shred of conscience or guilt like Engen did. .... Muhney didn't even NEED dialogue to play that subtext, Engen did it solely with facial expression. And the Hope/Adam voiceover? Why the hell couldn't they have gotten Signy Coleman to do a 30 second voiceover? If not, they shouldn't have DONE IT. I liked the fact that Muhney WAS able to cry, but that's all I liked about it. It had a certain over the top Histrionic quality that really bothered me.

The rolling around on the floor was HILARIOUS.

The reason I suggested JT for Sharon, and not a new man, is because the last thing this show needs is any new characters. How much money is this show wasting on bringing on characters like Deacon, Ryder, hospital staff and mortuary people instead of investing in their already on contract cast? I am really getting tired of them claiming poor when they are refusing to provide stories for their expensive vets that the audience is invested in. Its like they are so hopeful that they are going to find someone from the outside who can spin garbage into gold and carry the show.

After reading EB's article about the spin from the studio, I am more and more hesitant to believe that Egan quit over the non-existent gay kiss. To me it seems that he was very unhappy with the out of character direction they were taking Adam in and the show made this stuff up so that the audience would welcome a recast. The character of Adam has not worked since Egan left and MM just isn't cutting it.

The main difference between Victor's long term longevity on the show and Adam's is the character direction. Victor started off as bad. The love of a good woman the audience was already invested in, Nikki, brought out his humanity. Adam has gone the opposite way. He started off as gray, had the love of a good woman, Heather, and has turned very dark. I don't see how the love of a good woman can possibly be used to redeem this sicko molester of a character.

Adam is ruined and it mostly has to do with the writing. Since they decided to have him throw ashley's fetus into the fire, they lost so many opportunities to build this character into an epic character

Adam is ruined and it mostly has to do with the writing. Since they decided to have him throw ashley's fetus into the fire, they lost so many opportunities to build this character into an epic character

I think he could have been redeemed after that point if he realized what he had done and stopped torturing Ashley. But he has shown no remorse for his actions until today and that was just hollow.

I think he could have been redeemed after that point if he realized what he had done and stopped torturing Ashley. But he has shown no remorse for his actions until today and that was just hollow.

The problem there for this viewer was thaT Adam stoped making sense, if they wanted to make him mini Victor the best way of approach is to find his power, not make him a complete snake in the grass. When that scene occured it didn't hit me right then how far they had gone but when I saw the scenes to follow it was like that was the moment it was decided he would be a sociopath. Adam's motivation is extremely inconsistent now they want to have the character show remorse again, who is this character and what drives him?

I did peep the JM and SC scenes for today's epi on youtube, JM was more impressive than his average days and Alpha I have always said my problem with JM iwas never the fact that I should be used to him giving subpar performances but that I have seen him in his extremely good moments so I hate when the scene calls for him to give it a hi best shot and he doesn't, because I know he has done and can do better in alot of those instances

Edited October 8, 200916 yr by classicmoment

I'm hoping for an excellent baby switch, because I love them. (I know I'm one of the few).

I basically like Muhney. When he is allowed to show some vulnerability, it softens him. That said, I acknowledge he could do more... CE is gone, I'm over it, so I'm comfortable with "investing" in Muhney's Adam. I feel he is much more competent than Hayley Erin, Christel Khalil, etc...so I'd want to lose him after many of the others.

I'd like to see Adam now positioned as the new "ruthless". I think it can be done. I'm sick of squandering these characters, and the disposable mentality of this regime. Thus, I want Adam restored, not discarded. And, yes, if James Stenbeck and Roger Thorpe could live and continue...so can Adam Newman. All of this is clearly just my opinion...not expecting others to agree.

I really don't know if it says much about Muhney that he's much more competent than a 13 or 14 year old actress, and a very weak actress who has never really worked outside of Y&R. Even then, I would say that I have connected to CK at times, like the "maid's daughter" spat with Chloe, or the early work when she found out she had cancer. Do I think that Muhney is entirely at fault? No. The writing is bad, it's lazy stuff that is like bad fan fiction -- they have Adam do everything to drive the plot, then suddenly say "I feel so bad!" and writhe around to try to justify more bad behavior to come. But I don't think Muhney is anything special.

I also can't really say, "They did it with Roger Thorpe and James Stenbeck", because Roger was off the show for almost a decade between the time that he was a multiple rapist and a murderer and the time he became more of an antihero. James Stenbeck was off ATWT for nearly a decade. Even then, Stenbeck has usually never been anything other than a plot-stirrer and a menacing camp figure in his returns.

Adam should have been much more than that.

Since he isn't, we are left with the zombiefied Victoria, and with Nick, whom we now throw parades for when Josh Morrow manages to remember how to act.

I really don't know if it says much about Muhney that he's much more competent than a 13 or 14 year old actress, and a very weak actress who has never really worked outside of Y&R. Even then, I would say that I have connected to CK at times, like the "maid's daughter" spat with Chloe, or the early work when she found out she had cancer. Do I think that Muhney is entirely at fault? No. The writing is bad, it's lazy stuff that is like bad fan fiction -- they have Adam do everything to drive the plot, then suddenly say "I feel so bad!" and writhe around to try to justify more bad behavior to come. But I don't think Muhney is anything special.

I have a feeling if Muhney got "notes" from TPTB that he was going against their vision for the character or could do more to potray their vision he would change his tune to that beat. I can't be mad @ what Muhney is doing because he's giving TPTB what they want. I blame TPTB ideals of "Victor Adam Newman"

I also can't really say, "They did it with Roger Thorpe and James Stenbeck", because Roger was off the show for almost a decade between the time that he was a multiple rapist and a murderer and the time he became more of an antihero. James Stenbeck was off ATWT for nearly a decade. Even then, Stenbeck has usually never been anything other than a plot-stirrer and a menacing camp figure in his returns

Adam should have been much more than that.

I agree there is sometimes room for a downright villain but it should not be Adam. If Adam were just a very dark anti-hero it could have worked in the right hands. His bright qualities needed to be maintained, his ambitions worked into the story while his edge, vengence, vindictiveness were worked in.

Since he isn't, we are left with the zombiefied Victoria, and with Nick, whom we now throw parades for when Josh Morrow manages to remember how to act.

LOL JM is Nick to me so when he does better than average I feel a bitt err proud and reassured but I do call him out when I feel he's extra crappy

I have a feeling if Muhney got "notes" from TPTB that he was going against their vision for the character or could do more to potray their vision he would change his tune to that beat. I can't be mad @ what Muhney is doing because he's giving TPTB what they want. I blame TPTB ideals of "Victor Adam Newman"

I can't be mad at him, but I can say that I don't think he's doing that good a job in the role. Nelson and others hyped him as the second coming and I have never really seen that level of work from him. I'm sure he's fine elsewhere, since we heard all about Veronica Mars and whatever else before his arrival, but I don't think he's done that well as Adam.

I can't be mad at him, but I can say that I don't think he's doing that good a job in the role. Nelson and others hyped him as the second coming and I have never really seen that level of work from him. I'm sure he's fine elsewhere, since we heard all about Veronica Mars and whatever else before his arrival, but I don't think he's done that well as Adam.

Personally I preferred CE but that's just me many highlight CE would not be able to handle the work required, umm maybe. But maybe he had it correct in comparison to the writers cause when he was there I was being sold more than I am now. I agree with you about MM because imo he's just not ADAM in my mind but from an objective perspective who is Adam?

The rolling around on the floor was HILARIOUS.

Now I need to see that...LOL

Muhney has always sucked. I dont know why some are surprised to figure out he sucks now...lol