5 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Well, she has the knack to jump ship once she mortally wounds a show and latches on to another one. 

I get GL snagging her b/c she was an EMMY machine on SB. And I somewhat understand them moving her to AW; however, after she wounded those shows, ABC was stupid to let her get her hands on OLTL and GH. And CBS was stupider for letting them get her grubby hands on Y&R in the social media era where fans stay openly expressing their disdain for TPTB in a central social media forum (typically Twitter). 

And I also don't care for JFP b/c she doesn't own her sh*t. Case in point--killing Frankie Frame. She unnerves me with how she changes history and says she doesn't say she was on the show when it occurred. Ma'am, your name is in the closing credits. You were there. Might've been when your time was winding down, but you were there and you signed off on it, which puts you at fault. 

Oh, yeah, she flat out lied about Frankie. Stupid lie, too, since it was both obvious & known. Yes, it's true that at the end when her power was on the wane, she tried to convince MDP to do something soapy where they could bring Frankie back from the dead but that doesn't mean she hadn't been there at the beginning, which in fact she was.

I think when Jill had a great a strong HW, like Nancy Curlee, she could produce great material. But when she had weaker HWs with no vision (or with just a bad vision), her worst tendencies came into play and dominated. 

2 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

I think when Jill had a great a strong HW, like Nancy Curlee, she could produce great material. But when she had weaker HWs with no vision (or with just a bad vision), her worst tendencies came into play and dominated. 

What was the quote from JFP when Curlee left..."Now we can do things MY way!" That tells you all you need to know about where the quality came from.

 

24 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

What was the quote from JFP when Curlee left..."Now we can do things MY way!" That tells you all you need to know about where the quality came from.

 

Jesus Christ. That sounds ominous. 

3 hours ago, Maxim said:

Can someone help me with this - what is the first date Nancy Curlee is credited as head writer in 1990? 

She was not credited as HW in 1990, she was an associate headwriter under Pam Long. Near the end of 1990, James E. Reilly's name appeared under Long's, and then the soap mags announced that Long was gone as HW, and Curlee, Demorest and Reilly were named HW trio. Their first credited episode should have been the beginning of 1991

Btw, when Curlee and Demorest were promoted, I believe he was script editor, which he was listed as when the team won the writing Emmy in 1990 

17 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

There  are certain things you just don't hear said except in soap circles. Here is one example. The question  being pondered is whether Mo would go along with her daughter thinking she was dead. AND ONLY ON A SOAP would the answer be of course she would but Mo would have to have amnesia.!

LOL...too true. But in saying that Mo would have to have amnesia, I implied that you couldn't write Mo going along with it. OTOH, I thought it would be completely in character for Roger to allow Michelle to believe Mo had died, no matter what kind of "feeling" he had for the child.

It was hard enough for the writers to justify Reva and Vanessa allowing their families to believe they were dead. 

5 hours ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I was hoping @Alanwould post that he knows a specific date. The closest I know is Jan. 1990. At some point after that her husband Stephen Demorest joined her as co-HW & then a year later, in Jan. 1991, they were notified that "Jimmy" would be joining them as another co-HW. (James. E. Reilly) They smelled a rat. Given how different their writing styles were, they were suspicious. So, they decided to turn the tables on the suits & aggressively work together to "show them". I thought it was hilarious, also wonderful. I can only imagine how much more wonderful Curlee material we'd have if she hadn't gotten pregnant & had a couple of little Curlee-Demorests. I have always regretted daytime effectively losing her at that point. Although I'm sure they have a lovely family. 

If you get the chance, see her sometime on one of the Locher rooms she did. She has this great Southern accent. (As do I.) One of the Locher Rooms is a watch party, a Beverlee scene, Kimberly Simms is in that zoom, too, as she's playing Mindy in the scene. Of course Alexandra comes out on top. And, as we know Alan has his weaknesses as an interviewer, but they don't come into play when he's hosting a watch party. The clips are the stars. 

I missed seeing this, since the topic moved to another page. Now I saw it! THANK YOU! 

8 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

And yes, Mo woudl need to be in a coma, and then wake up with her brain still scrambled with amnesia...but please, not like Vanessa, whiling away in that Swiss Convent with the nuns singing in the background.

*Sigh*  the show should've let Vanessa keep her dignity and let her walk out on Matt for x, y or z reason. Bill could've stayed with Josh and occasionally visited Mom in Europe.

3 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

I get GL snagging her b/c she was an EMMY machine on SB.

It's hard to remember that JFP got her start at GL (as a production secretary, I think).  So, for her, returning as EP was like coming home, or having things come full circle.

Look, I'll concede that JFP wasn't GL's worst EP, but I do agree that the show suffered once Nancy Curlee and Patrick Mulcahey left and JFP was left to her own devices.  She needed a HW who could push back and tell her to leave the writing to the writers.

3 hours ago, bboy875 said:

She was not credited as HW in 1990, she was an associate headwriter under Pam Long. Near the end of 1990, James E. Reilly's name appeared under Long's, and then the soap mags announced that Long was gone as HW, and Curlee, Demorest and Reilly were named HW trio. Their first credited episode should have been the beginning of 1991

Btw, when Curlee and Demorest were promoted, I believe he was script editor, which he was listed as when the team won the writing Emmy in 1990 

Thank you! 

Rather than refer to anyone as the worst EP, we can easily refer to most of GL's EPs in the measure of destruction they are responsible for.

Gail Kobe drained the show of vets. Her time destroyed a lot of the continuity GL had before her.

JFP was responsble for the loss of the show's moral compass/heart.

Rauch destroyed the shows connection to Springfield by transferring story to San Christo - Hell.

Conboy pissed away the budget.

Wheeler basically was thrown in with no experience and was completely out of her depth.

They all added to the destruction, and they all went out of their way to deflect the blame.

 

Any one of them could have seen what they were doing and made some effort to right the ship, but none of them could concede they were wrong.   The cast, the crew, and the fans  all suffered for their vanity.

1 hour ago, Khan said:

It's hard to remember that JFP got her start at GL (as a production secretary, I think).  So, for her, returning as EP was like coming home, or having things come full circle.

Look, I'll concede that JFP wasn't GL's worst EP, but I do agree that the show suffered once Nancy Curlee and Patrick Mulcahey left and JFP was left to her own devices.  She needed a HW who could push back and tell her to leave the writing to the writers.

 

@slick jones You forgot Joe Willmore and Michael Laibson in the EP list.

As far as I'm concerned the only good EPs GL had in its final 30 years were Allen Potter and Robert Calhoun.

I barely remember Laibson or Willmore, but I totally agree about Potter and Calhoun. They understood the P&G ways and still were able to keep the show watchable.  The five I mentioned, though, were by far the most destructive. 

8 minutes ago, kalbir said:

@slick jones You forgot Joe Willmore and Michael Laibson in the EP list.

As far as I'm concerned the only good EPs GL had in its final 30 years were Allen Potter and Robert Calhoun.

 

Edited January 8Jan 8 by slick jones

1 hour ago, Khan said:

It's hard to remember that JFP got her start at GL (as a production secretary, I think).  So, for her, returning as EP was like coming home, or having things come full circle.

Look, I'll concede that JFP wasn't GL's worst EP, but I do agree that the show suffered once Nancy Curlee and Patrick Mulcahey left and JFP was left to her own devices.  She needed a HW who could push back and tell her to leave the writing to the writers.

Agreed. 

I don't think she's a horrific EP when she stays in her lane. But she needs to be paired with a writer who will challenge her and tell her GTFO of the writer's room and focus on budgets. But I think that has become an issue across all forms of entertainment. Nowadays everyone wants to have their hand in the creative process instead of doing their assigned roles. This goes for network heads, too. 

Just a bit about her background. She went to Carnegie-Mellon & got an MFA in of all things, Directing. She was a PA on several Broadway & off- plays. Then GL but a PA. Next up her first real chance to sink her teeth in, at GH & a Music Producer. 

Everyone knows the rest. 

Did you ever read the Lemay interview when he described sitting in on the pitch meeting between Jill, Holbrook, Dano & Forsythe when she talked them into the Felicia/John affair? Like a Svnegali & almost convinced them it had been their own idea. He was in awe.