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That reminds me, at the time I was thinking after Mindy had gotten pregnant that the Alex/Mindy rivalry was going to go way of Katherine & Jill especially after Mindy would have the baby. Alas that never occurred and while I don’t think Alex would ever go off the rails like Kay did I could see her entertaining a man younger than her to make her feel better about Roger & Mindy’s affair and then again battle Mindy again for affection instead of what we got on screen with Alex, Mindy, Eve, and Nick. 

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On 3/30/2021 at 3:41 PM, FrenchBug82 said:

 

Here is what I think. First let's set aside the absolute trashing of the character in latter years when she had nothing to do anymore with what Bev had played and where, frankly, I can't blame Marj for cashing the check and just phoning in a hysterical over-the-top caricature.

What this clip shows is that even in her early years the writing had shifted for the character already for one. And for two I can't entirely blame her for not trying to be Bev - no one could - and as someone who had played a recast before she knew it is better not to try.
They hired her because of how she played Capitol's Myrna and this is what she was channeling. It wasn't Alexander as BmK played her but it could have worked with stronger writing/stories.
When it didn't, she clearly could not be bothered to salvage whatever they were doing

 

Completely agreed with you.

18 hours ago, FrenchBug82 said:


We are indeed missing a point when criticizing Marj's Alex is that while Bev gave the kind of performance only she could give, Alex during the whole blackmailing Mindy saga was already verging on the over-the-top huffy-puffy shrieky bitch that Marj played. Bev had a better handle on what she wanted to play so it was less in-your-face on-screen than it became but the character was already written differently - less cold and in control - in that whole saga.

 

Absolutely. You could see the 'writing on the wall'. Bev sure did. LOL.

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11 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

Absolutely. You could see the 'writing on the wall'. Bev sure did. LOL.


It is funny because for the longest of times I never understood why Bev didn't like this story. I enjoyed it tremendously; it was great soap and it gave me one of my top GL moments of all time: the scene where Alex tells Billy about Mindy and Roger.

That eyeroll Alex gives Fletcher when he tries to lecture her at the end is one of my favorite gifs to use. 

BUT thinking back about it I realize she had been in the business long enough to know that the way that once they started writing Alex that way, the cat would be out of the box for good. That was too easy for writers to create story with an hysterical vindictive matriach rather than the more complex character she had been so far. They had played with the DNA of the character and there would be no going back.

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Had they framed the story where Alex would trade insults with Mindy but had other stories not involving Mindy...would have made it better.

 

Her last scenes in 1992 read as a good bye more than a 8 week vacation.  Not only how she played the scenes..but the scenes themselves. 

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17 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Had they framed the story where Alex would trade insults with Mindy but had other stories not involving Mindy...would have made it better.

 

Her last scenes in 1992 read as a good bye more than a 8 week vacation.  Not only how she played the scenes..but the scenes themselves. 

They should have just let Alex leave for good, handing her stock over to Henry and Vanessa, who the writers had a place cards in the Jenna vs. Spaulding story...(and I like Van's dynamic with Jenna more then Alex's...how she didn't like her but came to be protective of her...) The Alex/Nick/Mindy thing had reached its expiration point by then..

 

I love the Character Profile of Van...I like how in that Peapack era scene with Mel, MK looked like someone's stylish mom who could still rip your throat out. I know Van/Billy and Ed/Holly were the end game but I wonder what it would have been like to have Van/Ed (they were sleeping together briefly when Van was a vixen..) too weird that she was his dead wifes best friend and had married his nephew? I think gradually it could have been a Bob/Kim thing of past lovers, turned friends getting togther.

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On April 8.

First time I saw John Bolger he was playing Phillip when I started watching the show. 

 

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8 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Her last scenes in 1992 read as a good bye more than a 8 week vacation.  Not only how she played the scenes..but the scenes themselves. 

Based on how everyone involved tells the story, that's an after-the-fact interpretation based on what we know because no one but her knew at the time these were her last scenes - and the writers certainly didn't know it when they wrote them.

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On 4/1/2021 at 12:47 PM, FrenchBug82 said:


It is funny because for the longest of times I never understood why Bev didn't like this story. I enjoyed it tremendously; it was great soap and it gave me one of my top GL moments of all time: the scene where Alex tells Billy about Mindy and Roger.

That eyeroll Alex gives Fletcher when he tries to lecture her at the end is one of my favorite gifs to use. 

BUT thinking back about it I realize she had been in the business long enough to know that the way that once they started writing Alex that way, the cat would be out of the box for good. That was too easy for writers to create story with an hysterical vindictive matriach rather than the more complex character she had been so far. They had played with the DNA of the character and there would be no going back.

 

This. You summed it up well. 

 

I did really enjoy the story as well, what I was able to see of it.

 

Alexandra suffered a bit as you noted. There was a shift happening to her character. Which is such a shame.

 

I mean, by the time Marj Dusay came on and she and Vincent Irizarry took turns screaming Mindy and Melinda constantly I don't blame Mindy for fleeing Springfield

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The late Agnes Nixon was known for instilling humor into her shows, going all the way back to when she was writing Search for Tomorrow.  I did not watch Another World when she was the writer, but I am told that Robin Strasser, Ann Wedgeworth, and Audra Lindley were used effectively for comical scenes.   Her One Life to Live and All My Children were filled with comic scenes.    

 

 

Yet, when she was writing The Guiding Light, there were few scenes that utilized comedy.   I realize that maybe because this was a 15-minute show could be a reason, but so was Search for Tomorrow.    

 

Do you remember many comedy scenes on The Guiding Light?  I could have forgotten them.   Why do you suppose that The Guiding Light was the show without as much comedy?

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9 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

 

I mean, by the time Marj Dusay came on and she and Vincent Irizarry took turns screaming Mindy and Melinda constantly I don't blame Mindy for fleeing Springfield

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Damn

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6 hours ago, danfling said:

The late Agnes Nixon was known for instilling humor into her shows, going all the way back to when she was writing Search for Tomorrow.  I did not watch Another World when she was the writer, but I am told that Robin Strasser, Ann Wedgeworth, and Audra Lindley were used effectively for comical scenes.   Her One Life to Live and All My Children were filled with comic scenes.    

 

 

Yet, when she was writing The Guiding Light, there were few scenes that utilized comedy.   I realize that maybe because this was a 15-minute show could be a reason, but so was Search for Tomorrow.    

 

Do you remember many comedy scenes on The Guiding Light?  I could have forgotten them.   Why do you suppose that The Guiding Light was the show without as much comedy?

 

Search seemed to be the exception to the rule for 15-minute soaps and humor (and maybe someone felt that a show about a young widow who was constantly at threat of losing her livelihood as well as custody of her daughter needed some lightness).

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I feel like there might have been some gentle comedy between "Berta" and Papa Bauer in the 50s and 60s, especially playing on her neurotic, meddlesome nature vs. his curmudgeonly voice of reason role.

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