Nola and Nadine overlapped, right?

14 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Nola and Nadine overlapped, right?

I don’t know if they did in their younger days, but there was a brief overlap in 1995 because I remember them both being at the Matessa wedding.

15 minutes ago, P.J. said:

Nola and Nadine overlapped, right?

Yes, but I don't think they ever really interacted. There is a scene at Company where Nola is trying to get Alex to let Van use the Spaudling green house for the wedding, and Elenit and Nadine tallk something about if anyone can talk their way into something its Nola, (like they some who interacted but we never saw it). Missed op as Nola and Nadine could have been a soap opera AbFab, scheming and getting into trouble.

11 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

Yes, but I don't think they ever really interacted. There is a scene at Company where Nola is trying to get Alex to let Van use the Spaudling green house for the wedding, and Elenit and Nadine tallk something about if anyone can talk their way into something its Nola, (like they some who interacted but we never saw it). Missed op as Nola and Nadine could have been a soap opera AbFab, scheming and getting into trouble.

I want to say Eleni/Nadine were catering the event but Nola was "helping" by making the dish that made everyone sick, but I could definitely be mixing up them catering with a different wedding. Nadine was pretty preoccupied with the visions of her impending death at this point-I do remember there were candlesticks there which triggered a vision.

1 hour ago, GL95 said:

I feel like those high cheekbones guys like VI (GA is like this too I feel like) never looked super boyish when they were young but then once they reached maturity just look roughly the same.

(I don’t think he looks like he never aged mostly because of the hair but Rick Hearst looks great at 60 too-another high cheekbone guy.)

Agreed, he would make a perfect Alan Spaudling at this age. Its too bad he was wasted on Lucy Cooper and they couldnt give him shades of of grey in his character at that time.

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14 minutes ago, GL95 said:

I want to say Eleni/Nadine were catering the event but Nola was "helping" by making the dish that made everyone sick, but I could definitely be mixing up them catering with a different wedding. Nadine was pretty preoccupied with the visions of her impending death at this point-I do remember there were candlesticks there which triggered a vision.

Haha yep, that was Matt/Vanessa's wedding. Nola's cooking got everyone sick with food poisoning and they had to put everyone's "rival" together in hospital rooms. Yep, Nola returned in August 1995 and this wedding was October 1995, right before Nadine died later that month.

43 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

Agreed, he would make a perfect Alan Spaudling at this age. Its too bad he was wasted on Lucy Cooper and they couldnt give him shades of of grey in his character at that time.

\I feel like those high cheekbones guys like VI (GA is like this too I feel like) never looked super boyish when they were young but then once they reached maturity just look roughly the same.

(I don’t think he looks like he never aged mostly because of the hair but Rick Hearst looks great at 60 too-another high cheekbone guy.)

I get the impression if Rick had stayed that the A. Spaulding story with Phillip was supposed to be roughly the same and they had AM acting pretty shady with Phillip-he regresses every time he feels threatened. While I would have loved to see RH/GA going toe to toe as adult brothers for longer, hard to argue that RH made the wrong choice getting out at that point. I imagine that if AM stayed on the scene the show would've just been cycles of Phillip/AM being close, there being a competitive rift, then them coming together again when one of them does something questionable to someone else that only a Spaulding would understand/be able to help with.

Admittedly I actually liked AM/Lucy and felt their actual coming together was done well for the most part though it was basically just one trauma to another. Though I will forever contend the show made a mistake just completely severing AM/Blake from each other's orbits. I feel like they should have had a Roger/Holly sort of connection that is always there in the background-even if they keep remembering that ultimately they're bad for each other.

1 hour ago, GL95 said:

Admittedly I actually liked AM/Lucy and felt their actual coming together was done well for the most part though it was basically just one trauma to another. Though I will forever contend the show made a mistake just completely severing AM/Blake from each other's orbits. I feel like they should have had a Roger/Holly sort of connection that is always there in the background-even if they keep remembering that ultimately they're bad for each other.

That would have been smart for Amanda to hire Blake at Spaulding again to drive a wedge between her and Ross. All I remember Blake doing at that time was hanging out at Company and the diner.

I also think that if they had given Hearst a storyline instead of mooning over Lucy he might have stayed. Giving his ambition back and making him more like Alan would a wedge between he and the Lucy just like what happened between he and his parents.

15 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

That would have been smart for Amanda to hire Blake at Spaulding again to drive a wedge between her and Ross. All I remember Blake doing at that time was hanging out at Company and the diner.

I also think that if they had given Hearst a storyline instead of mooning over Lucy he might have stayed. Giving his ambition back and making him more like Alan would a wedge between he and the Lucy just like what happened between he and his parents.

It’s funny because I’d actually argue in his last year they finally utilized his talents fully. He had his own Alan/Spaulding drama the whole time he and Lucy were truly together plus he had a bunch of Brent confrontations. It was far more to do than roaming the beach then mooning over Tangie. His Locher Room interview made it pretty clear it was a McTavish related decision. (If there’s a co-star he was trying to get away from I sensed it was Ron Raines more than Sonia Satra, though granted SS was part of the interview.)

That being said I wish they’d moved the wedding up and had AM freak out and skip the honeymoon because he was paranoid about Phillip to have more RH/GA overlap. One of their only scenes is Phillip asking AM for a job but clearly with underhanded motives but AM politely saying he’ll consider it, and it’s clear neither are saying what they mean and also know the other is being insincere, which is the kind of thing Michael Dietz couldn’t pull off but is needed to keep Spaulding plots interesting.

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48 minutes ago, GL95 said:

His Locher Room interview made it pretty clear it was a McTavish related decision. (If there’s a co-star he was trying to get away from I sensed it was Ron Raines more than Sonia Satra, though granted SS was part of the interview.)

You mean he didnt want to have scenes where his romantic rival was an angel??? ; ) That was the original idea, that the Angel would be looking out for Lucy and then Hearst decided to leave, right?

I think AM/Lucy take 2 was done at the right time since he'd finally worked through his fixation on Eleni, which he hadn't done when the two attempted to be a couple the first time around.

I still remember the one conversation Blake and AM had where he was talking about Eleni and his love for her..and she understood where he was coming from and realized at that moment that he no longer had a hold over her.. and the two became friends.

1995 seemed to be the year where a lot of the connections that had been established in previous years seemed to fracture.

The show seemed to forget for a long time that Harley/Dinah were once friends, that Reva/Dinah were also close, that Lillian used to be close to Reva, etc.

21 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

The Nadine story of 1993 really started off in the first part of 1992 when she tipped off the tabloid reporter about Vanessa and her trial.. and once Billy caught wind of what she did, he basically was ready to divorce her. She than decided to try to get pregnant and realized she didn't have many chances left after going to the doctor and I recall she comes upon Bridget learning she's pregnant and fainting.. which kick started an effective story that plays out till spring/summer of 1993.

It involved Nadine/Bridget interacting in a consistent way.. tied together two separate stories (Nadine trying to keep Billy from leaving her for Vanessa and Bridget being pregnant due to hooking up with Roger's son Hart) and had characters interacting with one another that hadn't really interacted that much before. Nadine/Maureen had some awkward interactions with Nadine rightly calling out that she knew Mo didn't like her because of Vanessa...while Bridget interacted some with the Lewis family more.

It really is a shame that Nadine becomes isolated in the 2nd half of 1993 aside from an occasional interaction with Holly at the diner where Holly listened to Nadine talk about Buzz/Jenna while Nadine gave her two cents to Holly about Eve.

The other example of two unrelated stories kind of interacting was the Eve story and also the whole Holly/Ed/Roger situation.... with Mindy giving Holly the 411 on her experiences with Eve while it looked as though Eve was going crazy again stalking Holly only for it to be a wounded Roger hiding in Holly's basement.

Those type of interactions became less and less frequent as the 90s wore on.

@Soaplovers One of the reasons I enjoyed watching Guiding Light so much in the early 90s is because of the way the entire town of characters seemed to interact with each other. The writers did such a great job of weaving characters in and out of each other's orbits. That really did get lost by 1995 or so.

Annette

21 hours ago, kalbir said:

OMG yes, the Acapulco episodes and the Country Club episode were epic. I rushed home from school for the Acapulco episodes.

Michael Zaslow should've gotten a Lead Actor nomination in 1991 for the Acapulco episodes. I believe the Acapulco episodes got Maureen Garrett a Supporting Actress nomination in 1991 but I haven't found anything online to verify.

One Roger/Holly scene I'm trying to find the date of is when Roger shows up at Holly's house, admits that he still loves her, then kisses her, and its all witnessed by Gilly. I think it was sometime in late 1991 or early 1992.

I think the date of that episode is January 13, 1992. When Blake Marler's YouTube channel was up and running, I took notes on certain episodes that were memorable to me.

Here's a clip of the scenes via YouTube:

@Mitch64 @Soaplovers @alwaysAMC

Thanks! I only asked because I was thinking---the "Nola hides Buzz in a cellar" really sounded like a Nadine-like plot.

While I'm biased against Nadine, I think TIIC made a mistake making her the third wheel in the Jenna/Buzz story. She needed to do something vaguely redemptive after the Peter fiasco, and it doesn't sound like she did that. "Being a good grandma", or dispensing mom-ish advice to Lucy ain't that.

5 hours ago, alwaysAMC said:

Haha yep, that was ****/Vanessa's wedding. Nola's cooking got everyone sick with food poisoning and they had to put everyone's "rival" together in hospital rooms. Yep, Nola returned in August 1995 and this wedding was October 1995, right before Nadine died later that month.

The more I hear of this, the more of a horror it sounds like. Vanessa-GD-Chamberlain would never have a wedding catered out of a diner. I don't care if Eleni was suddenly a world class chef with Michelin stars. What? The nearest Chuck E Cheese was closed? RME. This is pure McTrash, isn't it? And that's what they wrote for their It couple? RME.

Side note---I don't think Maureen and Nadine ever acted like they knew each other "back in the day", even though you'd think people from 5th Street and 7th Street would. And really, Nola shouldn't have even been a teenager by the time Frank was born.

59 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

You mean he didnt want to have scenes where his romantic rival was an angel??? ; ) That was the original idea, that the Angel would be looking out for Lucy and then Hearst decided to leave, right?

I'm not sure, but I feel like I read somewhere it was a bit of a chain reaction. It seems like the angel being there for Lucy was the original plan, but then RH left which was a big reason SS left so they just had AM/Lucy heavily backburnered before leaving together. RH had talked on his Locher Room interview about things not being the same (and seems to have really great fondness for the show) and the not liking what the new producers had in store. I'm guessing being one of many bickering Spauldings in a story that circled around Phillip probably wasn't all that appealing either. What's funny is Rick seems to like working with Justin Deas-I got the impression he actually liked the Cooper scenes better than the Spaulding scenes by the end. He clearly loved working with Zas and Bev too.

44 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I think AM/Lucy take 2 was done at the right time since he'd finally worked through his fixation on Eleni, which he hadn't done when the two attempted to be a couple the first time around.

I still remember the one conversation Blake and AM had where he was talking about Eleni and his love for her..and she understood where he was coming from and realized at that moment that he no longer had a hold over her.. and the two became friends.

1995 seemed to be the year where a lot of the connections that had been established in previous years seemed to fracture.

Yeah, AM/Lucy 1 was odd in general because they had her pretty clearly there for him but they got rid of any dramatic stakes with all the Coopers more or less forgiving him early so it was just them going on romcom style dates with no real direction. I don't know if it was actually this well planned, but I did like how it turned out because they did establish her as someone he actually respected at work (all things Spaulding require suspension of disbelief haha) and that she wasn't just some girl mooning over him willing to take whatever scraps anymore.

I feel like Tangie was there to not have him go straight to Lucy from Eleni and to make sure there was friction with Alan. This is actually where I kept expecting Blake to come in since she was doing random detective work around Tangie's "mystery man"-I kept wanting Blake to discover AM was there and take shifts caring for him while lying to Ross (since Blake was also afraid of Alan then as well so it would've dovetailed pretty nicely). Holly probably then would've figured it out but also kept the secret while warning Blake it was a bad idea as per usual haha.

While it was actually a sign of growth for Blake (before regressing, sigh) at the time, part of me would've liked Blake to go show up at the yacht rather than go to the boarding house when she briefly left Ross over Dinah. They moved to the bland Eleni recast being his confidant, but I always enjoyed Liz Kiefer and Rick Hearst's chemistry. There was a lived in affection and familiarity which was interesting given that they never were a couple onscreen.