And yet despite some mistakes and bad stories, people are still! praising OLTL again today. Large amounts of people. On many boards. And more positive press, not just one insane Canadian. There isn't a potpourri thread.

I'm surprised you haven't trolled the OLTL threads too, Sylph. Don't take it as an invitation.

Edited August 20, 200916 yr by Vee

I think Y&R needs the same type of reinvention that Wendy Riche et al gave GH after the Gloria Monty era.

A new approach that's still respectful to the show's roots and keeps up with the times, while still feeling like its old self. And, of course, a strong Head Writer talented enough to carry out that transition and ones that knows and respects the basic principles of the genre, like Claire Labine did for GH during that era.

It needs an amputation.

Fans are becoming apathetic, indifferent, obtuse, benumbed. And that's scary.

I think the conservatism has more to do with those in charge than just the show itself. Sheffer adds a very sexist, bigoted tone to any soap he writes for. Hamner isn't much better. Rauch has little time for strong women or minorities. I know the show has never been a daring soap, but they have never been quite this extremely conservative in a long time. Seeing Chloe try to give custody of Delia to Billy and Chloe because her child needs a mother and father...blech.

Perhaps if they had planned a big gay story, fans would have been angry, but I don't think Y&R ever even made the effort.

Does the new Adam, in looks, remind you of Austin Buchanan?

I was watching some of those old clips from the late Rauch era and you have men like Austin and Michael Grande just BEATING on women. It's so obviously fake that you can't get too upset (although the guy who plays Austin is very scary), but there's such blatant woman hate there. Current Y&R reminds me so much of that era of OLTL, a cheaper, more deflated version.

Carl, I was expecting a vehement statement à la Hogan Sheffer is the biggest piece of hackdome to hit daytime! How come I don't see it? You've been Hogan Sheffer's most vocal anti-fan in every other thread.

Because Hogan really is a big hack that has destroyed every other show he worked on. And someone needs to keep saying it. Until it finally gets engraved in the collective unconscious.

Edited August 20, 200916 yr by Sylph

Because Hogan really is a big hack that has destroyed every other show he worked on. And someone needs to keep saying it. Until it finally gets engraved in the collective unconscious.

But we'd be accused of repeating ourselves by the apologists of this disastrous writing regime.

You know, the same ones that make excuse after excuse for why the show is so bad and the ones whose bias of this show consumes them so much so that they can't see the damage being done?

Edited August 20, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

But we'd be accused of repeating ourselves by the apologists of this disastrous writing regime.

You know, the same ones that make excuse after excuse for why the show is so bad and the ones whose bias of this show consumes them so much so that they can't see the damage being done?

LMAO!

You're right!

Carl, I was expecting a vehement statement à la Hogan Sheffer is the biggest piece of hackdome to hit daytime! How come I don't see it? You've been Hogan Sheffer's most vocal anti-fan in every other thread.

Because Hogan really is a big hack that has destroyed every other show he worked on. And someone needs to keep saying it. Until it finally gets engraved in the collective unconscious.

*flashback to*

Oh, enough! We get it. We get it. You hate Pratt.

Just take a break.

Maybe CarID doesn't NEED to say that he doesn't like Sheffer every single day, in every single thread - we already know his stance. That's what I like about CarID, he's not repetitive and I always enjoy reading his/her posts. Rock on, CarID.

I had actually sort of felt like I was saying it too much, so I'm glad to know I wasn't. I am obviously not a fan of his writing, especially at ATWT and here, but as much as I'd rather see him leave Y&R, I probably shouldn't put all the blame on him, since there are two other headwriters and then Rauch as EP. Whatever happens I just think some type of change needs to be made. Y&R is supposed to be daytime's crown jewel and it's unsettling to see everything made up as it goes along.

Edited August 20, 200916 yr by CarlD2

Maybe CarID doesn't NEED to say that he doesn't like Sheffer every single day, in every single thread - we already know his stance. That's what I like about CarID, he's not repetitive and I always enjoy reading his/her posts. Rock on, CarID.

I like CarlD. Which is why he, as a poster with certain standing around here, needs to say it again.

Which reminds me: Maria & the courtiers is Carlivati Story v2.0. Almost exact copy.

People were hyping this at best mediocre writer, weekly threads reached fifty gazillion pages of absolute drooling and salivation while a smaller bunch of people were like WTH?

So, maybe we enjoyed those months of their tenure. At least we weren't afraid to praise a writer whose material we were enjoying. So what if we were drooling and salivating and posting 1000 replies. Why do you resent that? Because you were on the "opposite side" when we were liking OLTL or Y&R? How come we never hear what YOU like? What stories have YOU enjoyed lately?

I like CarlD. Which is why he, as a poster with certain standing around here, needs to say it again.

Okay so then you don't mind anyone constantly bashing Pratt then. Or are we going to get a "Oh, enough! We get it. We get it," and "Just take a break." I just don't understand why you encourage one poster to continue the constant bashing on Sheffer, and tell another poster to stop the constant bashing on Pratt.

So, maybe we enjoyed those months of their tenure. At least we weren't afraid to praise a writer whose material we were enjoying. So what if we were drooling and salivating and posting 1000 replies. Why do you resent that? Because you were on the "opposite side" when we were liking OLTL or Y&R? How come we never hear what YOU like? What stories have YOU enjoyed lately?

Merit > drooling. No merit, no drooling.

Okay so then you don't mind anyone constantly bashing Pratt then. Or are we going to get a "Oh, enough! We get it. We get it," and "Just take a break." I just don't understand why you encourage one poster to continue the constant bashing on Sheffer, and tell another poster to stop the constant bashing on Pratt.

Moderation. Everything in moderation and good taste. Some posters have it, some do not. Some can also make argumentative posts, others cannot.

This is getting off-topic. I'm not participating!

Edited August 20, 200916 yr by Sylph

Thank goodness he's not a snob.

This is getting off-topic. I'm not participating!

Quote of the year. Back to your "Directors & Writers" ghetto!

MAB is the headwriter and a Bell I'm not buying that Sheffer, Hamner, and Rauch are dictating story direction. Most people hire employees who think that like they do. Y&R is MAB's baby.

Branco, clearly being fed spin by PR & MAB, painted CE as a homophobe on no real evidence. Branco admitted that he even lied about the kiss (so as not to ruin a plot point -- GMAFB at that malarkey) and MAB has been proven to be a liar many times over as well as a cheat (NP).

I can't wait to see how Branco reacts to Hamner's comments. Bet he does not even squeak. He used Y&R. MAB used him. Mutual beneficial relationship.

Edited August 20, 200916 yr by Ann_SS

If it helps us reach harmony, bellcurve, I just want you to know I think you are a sheer triumph as a man, and possibly a mineral.

Which one? Talc, Gypsum, Quartz?

Harmony it is! I'll be sure to list you as a "Phone a Friend." I'll have my obscure movies and my geology covered. And not to mention the anal-retentive spelling.

Edited August 20, 200916 yr by bellcurve

I thought that Rafe was brought on for Colleen, so him being gay wasn't the original plan. During Christmas last year (the one where they had Jana talking about that V8 Feed the Hungry program) it seem liked they were testing the chemistry between them when Lily introduced Rafe to Colleen.