Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted August 20, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 Some things like this chipmunk crap and this art caper stuff needs to be thrown away quickly and never mentioned again. But I see your point. When Claire Labine took over GH, there were a number of aimless characters that weren't tied to any family or anyone at all in town, but she found things for them to do, like work, forming natural friendships, creating rivalries, etc. Characters that were too useless were gotten rid of in a natural way, but for the most part in those initial months, she used what was there and bettered the character development and overall stories. Douglas Marland had a similar approach to his shows, some things and characters would be written out, but for the most part, he used a lot of the canvas and stories that were left to him by prior writing regimes and bettered the character development and overall stories. It's important to note that both writers took their respective shows to new creative heights, updated it, but were still fundamentally true to the roots of their shows. Y&R will probably never get a Labine or Marland-type writer, but one can wish, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 What has Casiello done so far? I thought he'd only been with the show for a few months. I know he's beloved, but all I know about him is he had a blog and he's written at most of the Sheffer shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted August 20, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 The day to day writing on the show has been atrocious lately, and I'm sorry, I don't blame all of that on the HW's alone or their crappy pacing. If a new HW came in and wanted to reshape the show and wanted a smaller writing staff to carry out his/her vision, I would be all for it. Not anything drastic like LML, but something more simple and one that knows how to pick great script and breakdown writers. If a new HW wants to keep Slater or Esser for historical reasons fine, but everyone else can go for all I care. Both the day to day writing and the overall storylines suck really bad on this show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Scryber96 Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 Maybe that's the line Victor should have said to Sabrina instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 Wow...cold..and who are you Mother Theresa??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lovely_m Posted August 20, 2009 Members Share Posted August 20, 2009 He wrote the episode where Karen slaps Neil. http://daytimeconfidential.com/2009/04/review-tom-casiellos-first-episode-of-yr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted August 21, 2009 Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 The best written period of DAYS in this decade. But that's not saying much, is it? And she was also there to take care of a mess. She would have been a valuable Co-HW to Hogan, because I feel like she understood Days viewers and what they like to watch. Despite the ratings increase, I still don't believe *THIS* is the kind of stuff DAYS fans want to watch. But I digress. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. We have had our disagreements over these last few months and will probably continue to do so, but I just want to thank you for highlighting this and explaining this in a way that has such clarity. And I will be perfectly honest and eat the words I've said previously. I never understood why executives didn't mine their history from the past to dictate their recent stories, until seeing the atrocious way Maria and her band of hacks manipulate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Sylph Posted August 21, 2009 Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 I've heard good things about her so it's a shame Hogan didn't know how to use her and brought his Meg Kelly. People forget one important thing: history is everything that has happened on a certain soap. Everything. It's Black & Stern. It's Passanante & McTavish's AMC. It's the past seven years of GH. So when one calls for honouring history, he or she calls for honouring the mob-infested, misogynistic, pornographic soaps. Also. And if someone says: Oh, but they should honour this period I liked. Hypocrisy. Perhaps someone else hated that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ian Posted August 21, 2009 Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 Yes! Making use of history is staying true to the history, keeping it in mind while crafting stories, not retconning and digging stuff up to randomly throw back in a way that nobody cares. Honouring history is keeping characters consistent, having fallout from events, discussing things like they actually happened and aren't just done and over with in a week's time. With that use of history, you still need a PRESENT instead of badly-written returns that the writers expect will just coast on an actor's popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted August 21, 2009 Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 Well... I'm sitting here with the issue of SOW on my lap, and I WAS RIGHT. Once again, SOW does what they ALWAYS do, week in, and week out.... they play with semantics, and set up other people's quotes with off kilter comments to stir the sh!t, and sell magazines. It's blatantly obvious that Hamner's comments were ONLY about the Adam/Rafe SL, and not about the entire future of a gay SL. I knew something didn't add up. Of course, Kenny over at DR falls for SOW's BS, and then Alvin comes running over here with it like some giddy schoolgirl, doing his little pee-pee dance, "I was right, theyr'e all liars, fire them! fire them! fire them!" Well, MarkH and everyone else concerned, it's just a case of SOW pulling their same old crap. I don't know why I haven't LEARNED better by now! It's a matter of people who are against the show taking something and running with it just to make themselves look right. In Alvin's first post, he said that this show would not be doing anything with gay characters in the foreseeable future... HE said that, Hamner did NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted August 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 Anthony Langford, one of the people that does columns for AfterElton said on another board that he heard that Y&R wasn't going to be doing any gay stories at all, and that Phillip III and Rafe would possibly be written out by the fall. Nelson also blasted the show for this in his recent Suds Report. But I don't expect you to believe anything like this, since you're always in denial about this show. But continue living like that, when you don't get any gay storylines in the future, I'll be right here to tell you, "I told you so!" I love how weeks after Phillip III and Rafe burst on the the scene as gay characters, NOTHING has been done with them, yet you're still in denial about that. Claiming to be patient, well, you'll be patient to the day these characters are written out, and we all know this. Also, do I have to mention again, that NEITHER Phillip III or Rafe were mentioned in the Fall Previews? You said in the episode thread you'll give them 4 weeks to come up with a gay storyline for you and if they don't, you'll be outraged. I'll be right here to see if that's true. And for the record, the magazines only hype up headlines, they don't hype up interviews and articles. They have no reason to hype something up that's never going to occur on this show anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted August 21, 2009 Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 Yes, I'll be mad as hell if the gay SL DOESN'T happen.. but this was obviously a case of SOW putting a comment BEFORE Hamner's quotes that basically put words in his mouth. Branco's fallen for it, too..... he'll wake up and smell the poppers in a day or two. And now that I blew your assertion about Hamner's comments out fo the water, I notice you march out some unfounded rumor from After Elton? Why did you not mention this before now? I wonder. I think your'e making it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted August 21, 2009 Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 alphanguy, I can see why you don't believe Branco or SOW, but Anthony Langford usually doesn't post crazy or untrue stuff, from what I remember. His Gays of Our Lives column is very thorough and intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Y&RWorldTurner Posted August 21, 2009 Author Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 Believe what you want to beleive, the show will speak for itself. You didn't blow anything out of the water, Hamner clearly said they're not doing a gay story, which didn't specifically refer to Rafe/Adam. But twist whatever you want to twist to hold on to your "gilmmer of hope." You said you'll give them 4 weeks, I'll hold you to that. If there's nothing in a month, we'll see how you'll react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members alphanguy74 Posted August 21, 2009 Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 Then, can we have a link to this message your'e referring to? Hamner WAS referring to Adam/Rafe in those quotes, your'e just believing what YOU want to believe. I'm sure Branco will get to the bottom of this, I'm pretty sure he won't let this drop. And if it DOES turn out to be true, I think MAria and Co. will be on his sh1t list for quite some time. Hell hath no fury like a faggot scorned, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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