It's really stupid to kill Zapato after developing his character more than others on the show, even say Rafe. lol

Oh and this will really send Victor over the edge. You can poison his granddaughter, run down his ex-wife, gaslight his current wife, frame his daughter-in-law for stealing his wallet... and he'll be pretty chill about all of it, passively throw a million dollars of chump change down to encourage someone else to find her...

but...

F'uck with a man's dog...

sh!ts on.

Why would anyone need to say "Alvin For President?" I mean, it's obvious that he's right about the direction of the show.

And the whole reason why this thread was created and invented was to talk about everything that wasn't in direct correlation with the daily episodes.

And I wholeheartedly admit to saying negative things to certain posters about their love for Y&R or certain stories and by all means, if I hurt someone's feelings, well my apologies are in order.

I feel like people are getting really sensitive. Criticism exists for a reason. Just because someone likes Y&R doesn't mean that everyone has to like it. Or vice-versa. But these forums, this thread exists because it gives the viewer the opportunity to express thoughts and feelings, no matter how good they are or how harsh and cruel it is. I have had my favorites, no matter how ridiculous the favorites are, bashed continuously on this board. But I've yet to believe that means war.

People who want to post positive things in this thread and any other are more than welcome to do so. But to say this is an "us vs. them" among the body of posters here is extremely unfair and, may I also add, very biased.

There is no "us vs. them" where the "Fans of Y&R" vs. "Fans of Y&R Who Hate The Crap Stories" are concerned. But if the "us vs. them" you are referring to is "Fans of Y&R Who Hate The Crap Stories" vs. Maria, Scott, and Hogan, well then you can forget that ever changing, for many reasons already stated in this thread. They have already proven that they could care less about writing a cohesive, interesting show. And yeah, you could say, "Well 'they' could care less what you think because you're just some kid behind a message board handle." Yep. Damn right. But just because the writer in workshop refuses to take his notes from the reader home doesn't make those notes any less valid.

And I choose to air my thoughts about Y&R because I feel like this show is dying. And although I was never too emotionally attached to Y&R growing up, for many years I've respected and understood how important Y&R is to the genre, how the show need not give up on itself because of what was happening across the board.

This kind of writing is lazy, shallow, and offensive to even the average viewer. I think that goes above Tammin Sursok, Vail Bloom, Christel Khalil, Daniel Goddard, all of the actors we complain about. I feel THEY deserve better than this too.

Exactly!

bellcurve for King!

And I'm not buying this Lame is a ratings draw mess, or else their wedding wouldn't have flopped and ratings wouldn't have been down that particular week. Ratings fluctuate and there's no way of telling what makes them go up or down in a particular week.

Edited July 31, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

And I'm not buying this Lame is a ratings draw mess, or else their wedding wouldn't have flopped and ratings wouldn't have been down that particular week. Ratings fluctuate and there's no way of telling what makes them go up or down in a particular week.

Exactly. Like THAT MANY people would get hooked on this useless pairing.

bellcurve for King!

And I'm not buying this Lame is a ratings draw mess, or else their wedding wouldn't have flopped and ratings wouldn't have been down that particular week. Ratings fluctuate and there's no way of telling what makes them go up or down in a particular week.

Boy, do I like it when some disinfects a thread... Especially in this, Herculean way. The way bellcurve just did it. You know, cleaning Augean stables by diverting the flow of a whole river and just wipe it all in a blink of an eye! Splendid moment.

Edited July 31, 200916 yr by Sylph

bellcurve for King!

And I'm not buying this Lame is a ratings draw mess, or else their wedding wouldn't have flopped and ratings wouldn't have been down that particular week. Ratings fluctuate and there's no way of telling what makes them go up or down in a particular week.

I personally think people wanted to see if the other black characters that Lily supposedly related will finally come out of their corner to be by Lily side. Once the cancer storyline blows over. They are going to put the black people back in their little corner. While this Lily will venture out to mingle with the other cast members.

It's about damn TIME they started writing Lane and the Winters. Three months ago, it seemed like Y&R was firing on all cylinders EXCEPT where the Winters were concerned. Kristoff St. John had to issue a statement defending Neil's actions after the whole Karen/Tyra mess. Nia Peeples was hastily written out. Then we got... nothing. Except that random grandma who dropped the non-bomb that Tyra wasn't really Devon's aunt. Launching a plot that went -- approximately nowhere.

Some of us speculated that the Winters (ex Lily) would be phased out by year-end. That the Winters had no legs without Dru. I'm glad people are reassessing their view of this once-important family, but I still think it is VERY early days. It has only been a week since the audience learned that Lily had cancer. 2-3 weeks since Cane was unmasked and Neil did his best "Papa Smurf" impression. There have only been a handful of scenes and still more are needed to make this SL truly gel and drive the story forward.

Some of us speculated that the Winters (ex Lily) would be phased out by year-end. That the Winters had no legs without Dru.

This Lily as no leg. The Winters have legs but this Lily isn't doing anything for them. If they phased out the only black pe4ople in the Winter clan. They might as well rename CKLily to somebody total different. She's not a Baber or a Winters. CK can play Amanda lopez & nobody could tell the difference.

Just caught the previews for for next week, could Y&R get any darker? Really it's not dark in a interesting way, it's dark in a way that makes you feel disgusted that they'd even go there, kind of dark.

It's already McTavish dark, and no, that's not a good thing.

Maria borrowed Purgatory from McTavish! It's a temporary loan!

I credited Lane/The Winters as the reason for the ratings uptick and I stand by that. I might be more about Neil than Cane -- who knows exactly? But what else could it be? Mon-Wed were 3.7 and the week before had been 3.4. What other reason could there be? Lily's cancer & the Winters rallying around her was the only new element brought to the show that week.

Ratings fluctuate, there's been weeks where the show was at a 3.4 and went up to a 3.7 the next week, when nothing really happened.

Lily/Cane were on a great deal the week before too, and that week was a record low. I don't blame them for that either.

Hell, the show was at a 3.8 sometimes when all the psychos and quad from hell were getting annoying.

If ratings and quality went hand and hand, when Y&R got really bad, it wouldn't still be the #1 soap.

We never know with these things.

Edited July 31, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

The Lily cancer story is, by Y&R's current standards, good soap, somewhat well paced, and has a romantic element. I think Neil and Devon are more of a drag (which is the fault of the writing, not the actors), but that's also part of the romance of it all. Whether or not this cancer should be reduced to romance is up for debate, but it's one of the very few stories they have actually told reasonably well.

Lily's cancer story is the only story with any heart, but I just can't squarely say that was responsible for any ratings increases when the show has gone up before with the other inane storylines going on right now.

Edited July 31, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I have no doubt in my mind that Khalil will be back to playing Lily like she used to. Her story will be over in a few weeks and then it's same old again.