But Nick explained why he is not angry at Sharon...some weeks ago. Because he screwed up. He remembers that time after Cassie died. He remembers how he closed himself off. He remembers how he lost himself in another woman.

He can't judge her, because he's walked that mile himself. AND...he has contributed to where Sharon is now. The guilt is a powerful thing in keeping him paralyzed too.

He didn't say he had to be angry or judgemental, he is saying show more concern. There are different emotional beats not fully played that 's all. If I didn't know the characters and I was watching that scene I would wonder if Sharon telling him she had been with other men was a turn on.

Jack's love is not compassionate. He thrives on her sickness. It makes him feel better about the rot at the core of his soul by "taking care" of someone more f*cked up than himself. That's all. (IMO).

Honestly Mark, I think you just explain why Jack's love is compassionate

Melody Thomas Scott's set tour from ET Canada:

Apparently today, Eric Braeden is shown at home...even pushing his little granddaughter on the swing and being a doting granddad.

Can a Canadian grab this for us? It will be on the ET-Canada website, but we non-residents of Canada will be unable to see it or capture it for other sites.

He didn't say he had to be angry or judgemental, he is saying show more concern. There are different emotional beats not fully played that 's all. If I didn't know the characters and I was watching that scene I would wonder if Sharon telling him she had been with other men was a turn on.

Okay, good point!

Honestly Mark, I think you just explain why Jack's love is compassionate

Do you really believe that? I mean, it is an interesting perspective. To take good care of others because you feel lousy about yourself...it's more "redemptive love" than "compassionate love"...but it is definitely an interesting idea. I think it might still be sick

Jack loves Sharon and has through two writing regimes. There is nothing about thriving off her illness or anything twisted like MarkH is suggesting because he dislikes Jack.

Jack loves Sharon and has through two writing regimes. There is nothing about thriving off her illness or anything twisted like MarkH is suggesting because he dislikes Jack.

Oh sorry bout that when you put it that way. But Jack's need to protect her I guess if one wants to call it thriving on her sickness I don't necessarily see that either. The thing is I get that they (Nick and Jack) see how messed up Sharon is but I'm also getting that they learn the extent of it more everyday. Both Jack and Nick think they know but the truth is they don't. One does have to question why they both think they can fix her.. Nick I can figure out alot easier. Jack is a bit more complicated but his love is compassionate though, I would only think he thrives off her illness as an opportunity to show that but then you are right that wouldn't really be love now would it?

Edited May 28, 200916 yr by classicmoment

Jack loves Sharon and has through two writing regimes. There is nothing about thriving off her illness or anything twisted like MarkH is suggesting because he dislikes Jack.

Actually I don't dislike Jack . I have been watching him since the early 80s... I also happen to think Peter Bergman is one of the best actors on the show. For the most part, I don't think Jack does well in romantic pairings...he's usually too sappy or too disengaged. I have never once bought the character as a bonafide passionate character. Not with Terry Lester (who was a delightful sexual libertine, but I don't really think he ever gave his heart to anyone), and not with Peter Bergman (who gives his heart all the time). But if you go over PB's women (forgive me if I miss anyone):

- Nikki (initially that was just to screw with Victor, but later it became about nurturing her through back injury and substance abuse and pregnancies)

- Diane (since PB's been playing him, I don't feel he ever cared about her...actually, I don't think even TL's Jack ever cared about her)

- Phyllis (that was the closest to a real relationship...that was about the coming together of two damaged people who found some sincere love and maturity with one another; alas, that was derailed...first by Diane, and then [in a poorly scripted switch] by Jack's obsession with Victor)

- Luan (fully sappy mode)

- Mari Jo (see Diane...I never bought that he had any feelings for her...indeed, it was during this era that Luan returned)

- Sharon (he has been her protector and caregiver from the beginning; at first, it seemed like a payback for Nick's taking Phyllis...but over time...he seems to get off on taking care of her)

I will never forget the scene, a few weeks ago, when Sharon was melting down. A sobbing mess, confiding all the horrible things she'd done. And Jack took her in his arms and said -- total MESS that she was -- "I have never loved you more than I do at this moment". And then, I believe, he f*cked her (though I might be confusing episodes).

I can't make this stuff up, folks. Tell me that is "compassionate love". When she's a bawling, strung out mess...he loves her more than ever...and then he has sex with her. Jack gets off on Sharon's weakness. He likes being the "protector".

I admit, though, it is my interpretation that this is "sick". Maybe it is healthy?

Jack loves Sharon and has through two writing regimes. There is nothing about thriving off her illness or anything twisted like MarkH is suggesting because he dislikes Jack.

Pretty much.

Jack loves Sharon and has through two writing regimes. There is nothing about thriving off her illness or anything twisted like MarkH is suggesting because he dislikes Jack.

:lol:

Jack loves Sharon and has through two writing regimes. There is nothing about thriving off her illness or anything twisted like MarkH is suggesting because he dislikes Jack.

Pretty much.

Well, as someone wiser than I once said....

Jack loves the crazy & the crazy loves Jack.

Well, as someone wiser than I once said....

Jack loves the crazy.

Not "It makes him feel better about the rot at the core of his soul by taking care of someone more f*cked up than himself."

Jack loves the crazy.

Not "It makes him feel better about the rot at the core of his soul by taking care of someone more f*cked up than himself."

:lol:

I want a s/l where Phyllis discovers that Nick lied about being the father of their daughter, that he mourned the loss of Cassie so much that he stole the maternity test results and claimed the little girl as his. Jack is the bio dad. Then in the same s/l Sharon finds out that her baby's dad is Jack too.

Edited May 28, 200916 yr by kandbar

I want a s/l where Phyllis discovers that Nick lied about being the father of their daughter, that he mourned the loss of Cassie so much that he stole the maternity test results and claimed the little girl as his. Jack is the bio dad. Then in the same s/l Sharon finds out that her baby's dad is Jack too.

I'll bet you'll get your hoped-for storyline too. Because the writers seem intent on making Nick the biggest douchebag since his daddy.

Oh great it gets better suprisingly don't feel good or bad about that

But Nick explained why he is not angry at Sharon...some weeks ago. Because he screwed up. He remembers that time after Cassie died. He remembers how he closed himself off. He remembers how he lost himself in another woman.

He can't judge her, because he's walked that mile himself. AND...he has contributed to where Sharon is now. The guilt is a powerful thing in keeping him paralyzed too.

Jack's love is not compassionate. He thrives on her sickness. It makes him feel better about the rot at the core of his soul by "taking care" of someone more f*cked up than himself. That's all. (IMO).

Like I said, he doesn't have to be angry, but he should be a lot more concerned than he is. She has done some outrageous things and clearly anyone having sex with her right now is taking advantage. Good grief, she was stealing without even knowing it.

I'll bet you'll get your hoped-for storyline too. Because the writers seem intent on making Nick the biggest douchebag since his daddy.

I started watching Y&R when I saw previews of Phyllis fighting with Sharon and then Sharon & Dru going over the cliff(sp). So, I assumed that Nick was always a douchbag. I also thought that Phyllis had better chemistry with Jack, and he with her. I don't know everyones' history.