17 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Whenever I see Kathryn I think of her role on Oz.

Me too. One of the best television performances I've ever seen.

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

Whenever I see Kathryn I think of her role on Oz.

Oz, to me, is like the evil mirror to Law & Order, since both Kathryn Erbe and Chris Meloni (obviously Det. Elliot Stabler on L&O: SVU/L&O: OC) played such horrible criminals on that versus their white-hat characters on the L&O franchise.

And Lee Tergesen, while not a main L&O cast member, often was a guest star in the franchise, and also on Oz. Ditto the great Rita Moreno, who also appeared on L&O: CI as the schizophrenic mother of Det. Bobby Goren/Vincent D'Onofrio. 

Lots of overlap between those two shows, not to mention more such overlap with Homicide: Life On The Street.

Edited June 21Jun 21 by Wendy

11 hours ago, Wendy said:

As one that watched the Law & Order franchise, including Criminal Intent, I never knew that Kathryn Erbe, who played Det. Alexandra Eames, made an appearance on Another World, but this clip from 1988 shows she did, along with pre-fame Luke Perry:

 

I have long known that Erbe is one of ours!!!!!

 

17 hours ago, Wendy said:

Oz, to me, is like the evil mirror to Law & Order, since both Kathryn Erbe and Chris Meloni (obviously Det. Elliot Stabler on L&O: SVU/L&O: OC) played such horrible criminals on that versus their white-hat characters on the L&O franchise.

And Lee Tergesen, while not a main L&O cast member, often was a guest star in the franchise, and also on Oz. Ditto the great Rita Moreno, who also appeared on L&O: CI as the schizophrenic mother of Det. Bobby Goren/Vincent D'Onofrio. 

Lots of overlap between those two shows, not to mention more such overlap with Homicide: Life On The Street.

I believe those series as well as The Good Wife and its spinoffs were shot in NY so it makes sense that a lot of NY-based actors would crop up.

That reminds me tangentially of how peculiar I found the Friends storyline where Joey worked on Days of Our Lives. Friends was set in NYC and at that time Another World was the only NBC soap in NY. Days of Our Lives is of course an LA-based soap and Friends was also made in LA, and in the story Joey didn't have to move or travel to go to work, he just had a job on Days as if the set was in the same city. 

57 minutes ago, Xanthe said:

That reminds me tangentially of how peculiar I found the Friends storyline where Joey worked on Days of Our Lives. Friends was set in NYC and at that time Another World was the only NBC soap in NY. Days of Our Lives is of course an LA-based soap and Friends was also made in LA, and in the story Joey didn't have to move or travel to go to work, he just had a job on Days as if the set was in the same city. 

I think that was more of an NBC decision in wanting to promote DAYS and not AW.  NBC wanted AW off the air at that time, so they hoped that viewers would ignore cities where the shows were produced. 

5 hours ago, Xanthe said:

I believe those series as well as The Good Wife and its spinoffs were shot in NY so it makes sense that a lot of NY-based actors would crop up.

That reminds me tangentially of how peculiar I found the Friends storyline where Joey worked on Days of Our Lives. Friends was set in NYC and at that time Another World was the only NBC soap in NY. Days of Our Lives is of course an LA-based soap and Friends was also made in LA, and in the story Joey didn't have to move or travel to go to work, he just had a job on Days as if the set was in the same city. 

To me, though, that plays into the fact that nothing about the FRIENDS set-up would've happened in NYC!!!! So, the fictional setting was perpetually a challenge. It would've been better if they'd located it in a real fictional locale. The AMC connection is the only thing that has ever "read" New York to me. 

Edit to Add: Things about FRIENDS that made it impossible for it to have been in NY

Never, ever, not in a million years would friends (people who knew one another ahead of time)  have ended up, accidentally, living across the hall from each other.

That trumps all other reasons.

 

 

 

Edited June 22Jun 22 by Contessa Donatella

3 hours ago, Xanthe said:

That reminds me tangentially of how peculiar I found the Friends storyline where Joey worked on Days of Our Lives. Friends was set in NYC and at that time Another World was the only NBC soap in NY. Days of Our Lives is of course an LA-based soap and Friends was also made in LA, and in the story Joey didn't have to move or travel to go to work, he just had a job on Days as if the set was in the same city. 

I think that was because of Jennifer Aniston. After all, her dad, John Aniston, was on Days, so TPTB of Friends probably wanted to highlight that connection, and since Joey would not be able to remain with the other five friends to work at Days, as it was based in California, the decision was probably made to just say Days was a soap set in NYC.

And the above would also explain why a real NYC NBC soap, Another World, wasn't used. No John Aniston. (And then there's that Drake Ramoray/Drake Hogestyn connection, too!)

2 hours ago, Wendy said:

I think that was because of Jennifer Aniston. After all, her dad, John Aniston, was on Days, so TPTB of Friends probably wanted to highlight that connection, and since Joey would not be able to remain with the other five friends to work at Days, as it was based in California, the decision was probably made to just say Days was a soap set in NYC.

And the above would also explain why a real NYC NBC soap, Another World, wasn't used. No John Aniston. (And then there's that Drake Ramoray/Drake Hogestyn connection, too!)

Oh, absolutely. I'm sure most people neither knew nor cared that Days was not filmed in NYC and that there were many reasons why it was fun and convenient to have Days be the soap Joey was on. It wasn't enough to prevent me from supending disbelief.

 

So, possibly you thought about today being the Endiversary of my forever favorite show, ANOTHER WORLD.  35 Years in Bay City came to a halt today, 26 years ago. Baby Jasmine is now 26. I know that people make great cases for CAPITOL's finale being the worst since they refused to tie up any strings, or threads, or stories, because they were that angry about being canceled & they had Deborah Farentino's character (spelling? Name right?) facing a firing squad, then we just heard the commands & the shots rang out & then fade to black. And, some of course, point to Santa Barbara, which its device of having all the couples dance by the camera was clever, then Paul Rauch showed total contempt by being in a spotlight on a bare sound stage & grinding his cigar out on the wood floor & then walking away out of the spot. But, to me, AW's is the worst because of what is in it - the whole Carolyn the gorilla schtick & because of what's not in it - a video montage or retrospective of the show through the years. However, there are parts of it I really really like, so I did an Edit, deleting what I don't like & highlighting what I do. Maybe you'll like it, too.  

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJxW5DLJLId/
Another World is my forever favorite soap opera. But it's finale is almost universally hated by its fans. What this is, is an edit where I've deleted everything I didn't like!!!

2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Oh, I'm excited about this. I loved it when she did the group interview and felt like she could have done one on her own.

And given that Jill Farren Phelps said on her Locher Room interview that she was not the one to kill Frankie Frame, I'd be interested to get her take on that.

Crazy question, I know.   But does anyone know the date of the episode in which the name "Matthews" was said in the script for the final time??   I assume it might be AW's 30th anniversary episode, and Irene Dailey's final appearance.   But I could be wrong about that.  Any thoughts?   

Edited June 27Jun 27 by Tisy-Lish

On 6/27/2025 at 12:47 AM, Tisy-Lish said:

Crazy question, I know.   But does anyone know the date of the episode in which the name "Matthews" was said in the script for the final time??   I assume it might be AW's 30th anniversary episode, and Irene Dailey's final appearance.   But I could be wrong about that.  Any thoughts?   

That seems like a reasonable guess in the absence of any other evidence. It's impossible to be 100% certain that there was no other reference to the family either from Josie or maybe in relation to Matthew. But the odds seem pretty good that nothing would have come up. Russ was the only other older generation character using the name since his sisters and cousin had all taken their husbands' names. Olivia was a Matthews but she and her daughter with Dennis were also out of the picture.

On 6/25/2025 at 9:52 PM, Liberty City said:

And given that Jill Farren Phelps said on her Locher Room interview that she was not the one to kill Frankie Frame, I'd be interested to get her take on that.

Well, I hope you know that when she said that she was at best splitting hairs, or dissembling & much more likely, outright lying. I believe she was playing a little game, telling herself the white lie that ultimately it was the writer who did the deed. That would be ignoring who began it, which was clearly & totally Jill. She set it up. She held one of her focus groups. She tasked them with deciding between Judi Evans & Alice Barrett. Once they decided she passed along their decision. Yes, then, MDP did have to include it in her long story & the other writers may have had to further the process. So, did Jill kill Frankie Frame? I do not see any reply that fits except YES SHE DID. What do you see?

The funniest thing about this whole Jill thing is that she said there was someone she could name but that she wasn't going to do that, no, she would not name names. So she adopted this position of supposed nobility, not a rat, not a tattletale, etc. 3 weeks later, Locher Room again, and I heard her say:

It wasn't me. It was the writer!

She said it 3 times. I laughed my fool head off,

 

 

Edited June 29Jun 29 by Contessa Donatella

On 6/25/2025 at 9:52 PM, Liberty City said:

Oh, I'm excited about this. I loved it when she did the group interview and felt like she could have done one on her own.

And given that Jill Farren Phelps said on her Locher Room interview that she was not the one to kill Frankie Frame, I'd be interested to get her take on that.

Me too. The stories keep changing. The self proclaimed insider keeps changing her story about what really happened.