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Y&R: Jill To Be Temporarily Recast

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I'm with brimike. This was a typical contract negotiation, with ploy and counter-ploy. People wound themselves up to fill a void. I expected her to be fine and I'm completely unsurprised.

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Thank god this is over, but what a tense few days this has been.....so I guess this means she took the lower episode guarantee.....

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Nah, I disagree with you.

1. I have to believe that maybe SOME of this chatter filtered up to the deal makers. I don't know, but this turned around VERY quickly...quicker than the Josh Morrow/Melody Thomas/Lauren Woodland/Sharon Case deals. So, maybe this helped a little?

2. Think like a social psychologist for a minute. WHY is there mass panic? It occurs when there is a population already at a high level of anxiety, and where messages of threat can be disseminated very quickly.

In other words, if the audience didn't have OODLES of treasured performers squandered by these corporate decisions already, there would not have been a "substrate" upon which the fertile seeds of mass hysteria could fall.

I would view the powerful fan reaction here not as a "problem", but as a symptom of a greater culture of mistrust and emotional negativity that has evolved. Marlena Delacroix touches on another element of this in her most recent blog update.

This would imply several things. Among others, that what we write here actually matters (and it matters not one little zit), that SON or any other message board actually can change things. And it can't. Imagine the mess we would be in if a message board encompassing a small percentage of soap viewers, a very specific kind of viewers, would be able to change something. So scratch that. You can write whatever you'd like, but this thread did not “save” Jess Walton.

4. Jess, had she been dismissed 18 months ago, would not have engendered the same level of group response. But TPTB put her back on the front burner, in the middle of her most interesting story in years. Coupled with the same-day announcement of

Tricia Cast's return (can Phillip IV be far behind)?

, and could there have been a WORSE time to threaten the continuity of the Jill character?

They certainly misjudged things. However, on the other hand... You have to understand that what they ultimately wanted was: Here you go - you'll be a centerpiece for a month, then we'll dump you.

5. Finally, rather than derogate it as "overboard panic", think of it as "activism". In this case, one MIGHT conclude that activism didn't hurt.

It should be noted that I don't think people were mailing Hershey's kisses or batteries to Barbara Bloom. It wasn't a (sorry if this offends) silly thing. It was just a collective expression of opinion that threatening Jill and Jess at this time was foolish for a show that was running on all cylinders.

It was activism, but not the one you're thinking of. It wasn't Let's save Jess!, it was Dump Jess, let's find a different Jill. That's all I saw in this thread: a race on whose candidate should replace her. Permanently. No matter how many would say I'm wrong. Some, not everyone, pretend to like Jess, for whatever reason, perhaps a deep desire to be accepted by a group or something, when in reality... They couldn't care less or they just hate her.

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You can write whatever you'd like, but this thread did not “save” Jess Walton.

Absolutely not - what "saved" Jess Walton was Jess Walton realizing they were really going to replace her.

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It was activism, but not the one you're thinking of. It wasn't Lets save Jess!, it was Dump Jess, let's find a different Jill. That's all I saw in this thread: a race on whose candidate should replace her. Permanently. No matter how many would say I'm wrong. Some, not everyone, pretend to like Jess, for whatever reason, perhaps a deep desire t be accepted by a group or something, when in reality... They couldn't care less or they just hate her.

Actually, I saw exactly what you're saying, Sylph - but I perceived it as more of a "Oh, cool - I get to play EP/Casting Director now". I didn't think there was any deep-seeded hatred of Jess involved. I just think we all like to step into the "What would we do if we were running things?" role, and that's where all the "wishful casting" posts came from.

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I'm just relieved to come on here today and see that she is back with the show.

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Absolutely not - what "saved" Jess Walton was Jess Walton realizing they were really going to replace her.

Sure. She realised they can replace her in a nanosecond and also that had she said No, it would've meant a farewell to a kind of life she led. Also — pretty much zero other employment opportunities.

Actually, I saw exactly what you're saying, Sylph - but I perceived it as more of a "Oh, cool - I get to play EP/Casting Director now". I didn't think there was any deep-seeded hatred of Jess involved. I just think we all like to step into the "What would we do if we were running things?" role, and that's where all the "wishful casting" posts came from.

Sure. :D I can settle for that. A nice compromise, not so harsh as my view, yet true & balanced.

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People wound themselves up to fill a void.

I felt that too - the fact that it broke the same day as all of these Guiding Light articles... I think it really made a lot of people project their GL anxiety onto Y&R, when it was displaced.

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At least Jess re-signed, that's all that matters.

Looks like this was blown way out of proportion, her contracts talks were nowhere near as ongoing or drawn out as some others at Y&R this decade.

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I don't disagree with any of this, Mark. But what happened yesterday is a prime example of how the Internet has changed things, and not always for the better. A 48-hour tense negotiation period is as normal as breathing in this business. It's been happening since the genre began. Unfortunately, what we have now is a lot of people running around to every message board they can find, and bad-mouthing everyone from Bill Bell, Jr to MAB to Jess Walton to Hogan Sheffer to other post-ers. And while many of us on here are intelligent, sane, rational folks... there are a lot of people who read EVERYTHING on the web as gospel. And that's what disturbs me.

Yes, you are right. I thought this myself, this morning. When Sharon Case had that protracted absence during the Jack Smith era (during which she apparently met Cameron Kirsten), I knew about from (a) her absence on my screen, and (B) less "real-time" SOD reporting. So, I couldn't really get too worked up...because 1-2 issues later, SOD reported it was all fixed up.

Now, of course, we're dealing with real time. That does change things.

There was nothing abnormal or unusual about this negotiation from what I can see. Hardball was played (nothing new there), and one side caved (nothing new there). But the "beating of the drums" mentality does nothing but spread more negativity. It's show business. This is how it works. By spreading the "everyone behind the scenes is out to destroy the shows" mentality that goes along with this, especially to those post-ers who can't separate spoilers from speculation, or gossip from truth, or people with real connections and sources (i.e. DaytimeFan) with those who are just posting their perceptions of things... it creates a chaos that implies the show is heading down a Guiding Light/ABC path. (A few people yesterday started with the "WE WILL NOT ACCEPT BEING ABC'ED" and it was baffling to me.) There was nothing "ABC'ed" about this. It was a hardball negotiation that was done and over in a couple of days.

I HATE HATE HATE hardball. Hate it. I feel it is the ruination of humanity. So, that probably feeds into my emotional reaction :).

This would imply several things. Among others, that what we write here actually matters (and it matters not one little zit), that SON or any other message board actually can change things. And it can't. Imagine the mess we would be in if a message board encompassing a small percentage of soap viewers, a very specific kind of viewers, would be able to change something. So scratch that. You can write whatever you'd like, but this thread did not “save” Jess Walton.

You are right. But maybe these things inspired some letters or cards or calls that shifted the valence of things just a bit? Or maybe I'm deluded.

It was activism, but not the one you're thinking of. It wasn't Let's save Jess!, it was Dump Jess, let's find a different Jill. That's all I saw in this thread: a race on whose candidate should replace her. Permanently. No matter how many would say I'm wrong. Some, not everyone, pretend to like Jess, for whatever reason, perhaps a deep desire to be accepted by a group or something, when in reality... They couldn't care less or they just hate her.

I see what you mean. I don't totally agree...but the fantasy-casting-director thing was here. I myself lobbied for Adair.

Absolutely not - what "saved" Jess Walton was Jess Walton realizing they were really going to replace her.

So, this implies that Walton -- not Sony/Bell -- blinked. I suspect it further implies Walton agreed to a lower guarantee. I'm not sure we'll ever know...but if that is a correct surmising, I'm a little disappointed.

See, I understand pay cuts, but NOT guarantee cuts. I don't want to see LESS of these actors. Thus, from my perspective, it would be better to lower the RATE than the NUMBER OF EPISODES. But I don't know how the performers feel about it.

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It was activism, but not the one you're thinking of. It wasn't Let's save Jess!, it was Dump Jess, let's find a different Jill. That's all I saw in this thread: a race on whose candidate should replace her. Permanently. No matter how many would say I'm wrong. Some, not everyone, pretend to like Jess, for whatever reason, perhaps a deep desire to be accepted by a group or something, when in reality... They couldn't care less or they just hate her.

I like and respect Jess, but I had more fun brainstorming who could replace Jess, then actually watching Y&R. Wgho cares. Its a soap. Its not the end of the world. Jess is healthy, that's all that matters.

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