AMC: Friday, February 20, 2009

[R Sinclair]

I'm on Reese's side in all of this mess. True, they all had their hands in the pot, but it seems like Reese is getting the [!@#$%^&*] end of the stick.

Bianca set this in motion.

Zach could've said no.

And Erica? OMG! This old woman's 40 years past her high school days, and yet running around spreading gossip and rumors like a stupid little school girl.

Erica: "Pssst... Binks! Meet me in study hall after third period."

Binks: "Like, fer sure, Mom -- why?

Erica: "Because I think Reese likes Zach."

Binks: "Like, totally. Reese and Zach totally get along!"

Erica: "Nooo... Like, I think Reese likes him, likes him."

Binks: "You mean, like, likes like?"

Erica: "Totally."

Binks: "Oh, puh-leeze, Mom."

Erica: "What?"

Binks: "Reese, is like, so totally gay!"

Erica: "Excuse me, I'm homecoming queen. I get the juice on EVERYTHING!"

Binks: "Well, I don't believe it."

Erica: "Fine. Like, don't believe me, then. It's your funeral. Go back to your little Drama Club buddies."

Erica: "Psst... Kendall! You busy?"

Kendall: "I'm texting Greenlee. She's totally my BFF!"

Erica: "Well, I've got something to tell you. It's mega huge!"

Kendall: "Like, omigod! Like, what is it?"

Erica: "I think Reese likes Zach."

Kendall: "Who is Reese?"

Erica: "She's this new girl in school."

Kendall: "New girl? In our skewl? We don't allow new girls here!"

Erica: "I know! I tried to get Bianca in on getting rid of her, but that girl is so totally dense!"

Kendall: "Dense-o-rama!"

Erica: "Fer real!"

(Erica and Kendall giggle)

Kendall: "Anyway, you think she likes Zach?"

Erica: "Yes."

Kendall: "You mean likes him likes him?"

Erica: "YES! Omigod, you totally get it!"

Kendall: "Oh, that bitch is going down!"

Erica: "Bianca says she's gay, but Bianca thinks everybody's gay."

Kendall: "Isn't that the truth?"

Erica: "I know... Sarah, Laura, Frankie..."

Kendall: "Don't forget Maggie and that man in drag."

Erica: "Ugh, she's so lame."

Kendall: "Don't worry -- I'll get my cheerleading squad to give a swirly during free period."

(Erica and Kendall giggle)

[Jonathan]

But isn't that why we love Erica? Because she stirs up trouble.

[R Sinclair]

If it didn't stop being cute by the time her "children" were grown women, it definitely stopped being cute by the time she became a grandmother four times over.

[xtr]

I notice that he does that as well. I guess it's an acting tic? I think that he does that to try and make his character stand out from the rest of the characters.

I agree that Bianca is very arrogant, insecure and selfish. I don't think that she is as arrogant as Zach is but she is still pretty arrogant. IMO, she's also not very smart.

I think that at times Zach likes to talk down to people in general. I noticed that sometimes he has a tendency to talk down, and not treat working class/middle class people that well. At times he likes to bark at people that are working for him, or are providing some type of service to him. He has mistreated at least a couple of the nurses at the hospital, including one that was there when Kendall really had woken up but she wasn't in her room. He was yelling at her, and I believe that she ended up getting away from him. It wasn't nurse Amy but another nurse.

And if I'm not mistaken, I recall him one time knocking something out of someone's hand that worked for him and telling them to "pick it up". I can't remember what exactly was going when that happened, but I do remember thinking that he overreacted in that situation and was mistreating that person. Zach thinks he's knows better than everyone else, and because he has more money and power than everyone else, he can treat them poorly sometimes.

Unfortunately, IMO, this is true for a lot of people, especially if Zendall are hurting, or killing someone that one of them is angry with. Or if they are hurting or killing someone for each other. I remember reading on another board, how a lot of people were okay with Zach killing Josh, and the way that he acted afterwards because he did it for Kendall. Some thought it was romantic, that he was "putting her first" by killing her brother. They said that was how they felt. And they tried to bash and criticize Josh to justify what Zach did.

I am too. I think that Reese did the least amount of damage, but she gets the most blame. I think that she is being used as a scapegoat, to try and make Bianca look better and make it easier for Zach and Kendall to work out their problems. I think that because she's the most dispensable they are going to try and use her to help out Zach and Bianca's images. A lot of the characters are blaming her for almost everything that has happened.

Erica is blaming her, but hardly holding Zach accountable for anything. Bianca is putting a lot of blame on her. I think that Kendall blames Reese more than she does Bianca and Zach.

IMO, Reese really hasn't done a whole lot wrong. I agree that she shouldn't have been kissing Zach back, but he did kiss her first and she was drunk. And I don't think that she really wants Zach. I just think that she feels a connection to him and because the people around her have constantly been making that out to be more than what it is, that causes her to question herself.

Reese mentioned that Zach reminds her of her dad, who she cares about, so I think that could have something to do with how she was able to bond with him so quickly.

But all throughout this storyline insecure Bianca, was constantly sprouting how Reese and Zach wanted each other, and doing stupid things to test her and Reese's relationship. Erica was also convinced that Reese wanted Zach and was trying to get Zach to herself, and blaming all of that on Reese and not both Reese and Zach. Kendall wakes up from the coma after three months, and quickly jumps to a similar conclusion.

I think that all of those accusations against her about wanting Zach has taken a toll on Reese, and caused her to question herself, especially since she has just recently came out of the closet. And Zach didn't help things, when he kissed her.

Also, Reese is getting a lot of flack for Zach and Bianca betraying Kendall by Kendall, but IMO, that's not really Reese's fault. Zach and Bianca were the ones that owed loyalty to Kendall not Reese. Bianca bought it up and Zach gave her what she wanted. Reese did try to convince Zach to do it, but that was only because Bianca wanted it. If Bianca had wanted an anonymous donor, Reese would have been happy with that. But yet Kendall seems to blame Reese more for Gabrielle's existence than she does Zach and Bianca.

Reese is definitley getting the short end of the stick, even though Bianca and Zach are the ones that should be held a lot more accountable than what they are.

[Caramel]

I respectfully disagree....

[Angela]

Serial killer story, the bodyguard had gotten Kendall some coffee out of a vending machine and he knocked it out of his hand as he was handing it to her and then told him to clean it up like he was a dog.

Cambias. There's somehting about Cambias. Ryan is always arrogant but he was even more arrogant with Cambias, Ethan too. Nah, I'm not going to blame fictional businesses that are said to have a curse, it's the writers. These are "men" to them.

Zach's been telling a lot of people what's wrong with them. Ryan (you ruin women/lifes) and Bianca (you're everything that is vile about Erica; you make me sick) and Erica (mind your business; don't talk about thing you know nothing about), he gives a good attempt to continue doing it with Kendall (like he did constantly pre-coma) as well. He clearly thinks very highly of his knowlege of what trash the people around him are and he also thinks he's above most people because of that supreme mind - one could argue he was always like this but in the beginning there was definitely a lot more humility in the character. He didn't walk around like he was carrying the heaviest package the lord above gave out - along with that ego is a more than healthy dose of self pity for the burden of his intelligence and the burden of having to deal with the trash he has to everyday in his life. It's just awful. A lot of what Ryan is saying about Zach is true about Ryan, yes, but a lot of what Ryan is saying about Zach is true about Zach too.

Bianca didn't care about how she ruined lifes until her life was "ruined," that's true. She would have never really cared (expressed regret or been anything other than incredibly happy for herself) had her life not been "ruined," that's true. That said, she was the only one in that room expressing regret for any of her stupid and hurtful actions even it was colored in complete and utter self-pity. I said it before, there really wasn't somebody to root for there. Bianca went there aiming to hurt "her husband," like she hurt "her wife," (hitting below the belt, using the child as a carrot) and Zach is an incredibly arrogant a$s who thinks his crap is better than everybody elses.

[SteveFrame]

All I know is that I like this Bianca - the flawed Bianca - a lot better than I ever did the sweet sappy Bianca.

I love my heroines - better than most people do - but I love them with gray and weaknesses thrown in. Bianca has been written way too sappy for so long. And she really didn't start out that way. Bianca used to be very selfish - a real chip off the old block in a sense being Erica's daughter. And I am glad some of that is coming back.

Irna Phillips was always good at making her heroes and heroines have faults. Just look at Bob Hughes and Kim Reynolds for instance. I mean they had an affiar while Bob was married to Kim's sister. Yet she always made them not be sanctimonious about being good either.

That is something that the writers today don't know how to do anymore. Just look across the boards at how they write the Martins, the Bradys, the Buchanans, etc. They are flawed but they act so sanctimonious about their goodness. They seem to write everyone with such an arrogance too. Just like we have been talking about with Zach. They really work hard to not make their characters likable at all.

I can remember years ago and I am not sure if it was Agnes Nixon or Wisner Washam but Ruth having a talk with one of her children and they were really building Ruth and Joe up as saints. And Ruth stopped them and told them about the affair she had with David Thornton and the flirtation Joe had with Leora, and so on. There was just a realness to the characters. And they were flawed and good without the sanctimonious attitude.

[detroitpiston]

ROTFLMAO!

[Angela]

I respect that but I know I don't like Bianca more than I did before this last return. I think there's a difference between adding layers and magnifying the worse attributes about characters, and with Bianca I personally feel it was the latter (as much as it was with Zach). I agree, faults are a good thing but when it's colored in a type of outer-wordly, and yes even dumb writing it's just damaging. Add faults/mistakes/errors, but don't lose what made the character so popular or relatable or likable. I just don't think Pratt was very successful here in accomplishing that.

[RomeAt50]

I've noticed that too and I really hate that quality in them. He's quite elitist and condescending in his treatment of people who are poorer and/or in service jobs, as if he is entitled to treat them like dirt. It's a quality I despise in real life and in fiction.

[Jonathan]

I don't think Ruth ever had the affair but she came very close.

[SteveFrame]

That is what I thought and seemed to remember too. But several on here and other boards have told me since then that Ruth and David did sleep together once. They even showed me a SOD synopsis that stated so too.

[Jonathan]

I'll check it out in the Anniversary Book.

[Steve]

RPG used to be able to act and I used to like him when he first showed up on GL, but so far his AMC stint is bombing. The only saving grace is his scenes with Tad when MEK starts ad libbing with him.

It's sad that Beth Ehlers has been resigned to being "that army girl" when imo she's an excellent actress who should be playing a more integrated character. I hope the show utilizes both her and Brot better in the near future!

I hope David's phone calls are related to a returning character instead of what seems like his obvious coverup in Greenlee's "death".

Zach has been very annoying for the past few years but the nadir of his character for me is this current storyline. He needs to man up and take responsibility for what he's done instead of blaming everyone else.

I like this Bianca better than when she was a saint, too. I also miss flawed heroes and heroines like Cliff and Nina whose judgment was frequently bad but they admitted it and worked through their problems.

I know Bianca has had trust issues with Reese for months now, but it seems rushed that she wants to break up and keep Reese from their kids due to one kiss with Zach. It would make more sense to me if we saw more of how hurt Bianca is and how much she still loves Reese.

[Rhiannon]

He could act when he was on AW too. He does slur his words at times.