8 hours ago, Vee said:

 

+1

 

 

Exactly.

Trump's victory and America's role in it came from the same place on both the far right and the far left. The white far left had been seething about the same creeping sense of loss of agency and power since Obama took power in 2008. They'll never admit this but it is the truth, and it's what comes out in their current angle - a lot of angry white men whose clicks and circulation went down post-Bush (Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, etc), ginning rage up again against Democrats, 'sellouts' and focusing on the '60s white savior who can make them feel the most relevant and most importantly, back in control of the future American narrative. A black man took it from them, the world began to change, and a woman was not going to rob them again.

 

In this sense they are not much different from the impotent rage and creeping fear of change that gave us the far right.

 

Wrong. Most white progressives voted for Obama and supported Keith Ellison for DNC chair, a black Muslim.

43 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Having failed with China and been forced to eat his words, Trump apparently believes that Canada is low-hanging fruit and has decided to try to initiate a trade war with them over Canadian lumber.

 

If Trump keeps trying to bully Canada, he may end up on the receiving end of a jujitsu move, courtesy of Trudeau.

 

It's kind of funny how he's gone from "I can defeat ISIS in 30 days" to having a slap fight with Canada over milk.

32 minutes ago, marceline said:

 

It's kind of funny how he's gone from "I can defeat ISIS in 30 days" to having a slap fight with Canada over milk.

 

Aaaannnd milk!  Yes, how could I forget about the evil Canadian dairy industry dropping the cost of ultrafiltered milk that the U.S. specializes in? Lumber was sooo earlier this week, it's all about dairy now!

 

 

In other news,

A lot of Black women (including yours truly) talked of feeling unsafe in the wake of Trump being elected.

 

Well voilà, Sisters With Guns in the age of Trump! I guess that's one way of dealing with the issue.

 

More black women are learning to use guns: 'this is a movement, and it starts now'

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 20178 yr by DramatistDreamer

11 hours ago, Vee said:

 

+1

 

 

Exactly.

Trump's victory and America's role in it came from the same place on both the far right and the far left. The white far left had been seething about the same creeping sense of loss of agency and power since Obama took power in 2008. They'll never admit this but it is the truth, and it's what comes out in their current angle - a lot of angry white men whose clicks and circulation went down post-Bush (Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, etc), ginning rage up again against Democrats, 'sellouts' and focusing on the '60s white savior who can make them feel the most relevant and most importantly, back in control of the future American narrative. A black man took it from them, the world began to change, and a woman was not going to rob them again.

 

In this sense they are not much different from the impotent rage and creeping fear of change that gave us the far right.

Well, I don't know how impotent it was. I feel pretty well fucked over. 

Seems like Flynn is getting his backside ripped out on national television....which will all lead back to The Trump Admin. 

1 hour ago, marceline said:

 

It's kind of funny how he's gone from "I can defeat ISIS in 30 days" to having a slap fight with Canada over milk.

He's such a freakin' moron......

Jason Chaffetz has suddenly decided he needs foot surgery. He'll be taking a month off.

3 hours ago, GregNYC said:

 

Wrong. Most white progressives voted for Obama and supported Keith Ellison for DNC chair, a black Muslim.

True. Most of them voted for Obama over Hillary because he passed the liberal litmus test at the, the Iraq War. Many of them couldn't vote for Hillary because she voted for the war, and they want to deal with Clinton baggage of the 90s. Any Democrats that did support Hillary over Obama, were either racists (if they weren't black) or sellouts (if they were black) by the MSM and the Urban Media.

7 minutes ago, sivad40 said:

True. Most of them voted for Obama over Hillary because he passed the liberal litmus test at the, the Iraq War. Many of them couldn't vote for Hillary because she voted for the war, and they want to deal with Clinton baggage of the 90s. Any Democrats that did support Hillary over Obama, were either racists (if they weren't black) or sellouts (if they were black) by the MSM and the Urban Media.

 

I'll tell that to my mother, a woman raised in Jim Crow Mississippi who took a colored bus to school. I'll make sure to let her know that her support of Hillary over Obama could only be the result of her being a MSM sellout.

 

Seriously. This purity bull is ridiculous.

2 hours ago, marceline said:

 

I'll tell that to my mother, a woman raised in Jim Crow Mississippi who took a colored bus to school. I'll make sure to let her know that her support of Hillary over Obama could only be the result of her being a MSM sellout.

 

Seriously. This purity bull is ridiculous.

dear...don't feed the trolls. they say ignorant, stupi crap like this to get nothing but a rise out of people. let them be ignorant on their own...YOU know the truth.

2 hours ago, marceline said:

Jason Chaffetz has suddenly decided he needs foot surgery. He'll be taking a month off.

He probably tripped trying to run from his wife after the cheating scandal. foot surgery.....he knows he'll have to investigate so he doesn't want to.

4 hours ago, marceline said:

 

It's kind of funny how he's gone from "I can defeat ISIS in 30 days" to having a slap fight with Canada over milk.

I thank God he isn't competent.  Also that the Republicans have their own infighting to worry about. At the very least these issues are slowing down their destructive agenda. 

9 hours ago, Roman said:

dear...don't feed the trolls. they say ignorant, stupi crap like this to get nothing but a rise out of people. let them be ignorant on their own...YOU know the truth.

 

I never thought of that one as a troll. The original remark...yeah.

 

It's just so funny because the 2008 primary is the only time my mom and I have ever been on the opposite side of a issue. We've had issues where our level of engagement is different - LGBT rights for example - but we've never been opponents. Of course when I remind mom of that she's very quick to point out that she had nothing against Barack but she simply didn't know him while she'd been a supporter of Hillary's for decades. Hillary was family and Obama was that cousin that we'd never seen at a previous reunion. But don't dare make it sound like she likes one more than the other. She loves them both like they were made of cake.

I'm sick of purity ponies screaming "sellout" whenever they encounter real world politics. I have my dealbreakers, one of which is reproductive rights, (I could and will never vote for an anti-choice Dem.) but I am one of those dreaded establishment pragmatists so I'm going to do what needs doing. Also, as a black woman, purity politics are a luxury I can't afford, like trusting the police. It's the reason I'm sending money to Rob Quist in Montana. He was a Sanders supporter and is anti-gun control and under most circumstances I wouldn't send him a dime but every seat in Congress matters. Every single [!@#$%^&*] one.

Edited April 28, 20178 yr by marceline

11 minutes ago, marceline said:

 

I never thought of that one as a troll. The original remark...yeah.

 

It's just so funny because the 2008 primary is the only time my mom and I have ever been on the opposite side of a issue. We've had issues where our level of engagement is different - LGBT rights for example - but we've never been opponents. Of course when I remind mom of that she's very quick to point out that she had nothing against Barack but she simply didn't know him while she'd been a supporter of Hillary's for decades. Hillary was family and Obama was that cousin that we'd never seen at a previous reunion. But don't dare make it sound like she likes one more than the other. She loves them both like they were made of cake.

I'm sick of purity ponies screaming "sellout" whenever they encounter real world politics. I have my dealbreakers, one of which is reproductive rights, (I could and will never vote for an anti-choice Dem.) but I am one of those dreaded establishment pragmatists so I'm going to do what needs doing. Also, as a black woman, purity politcs are a luxury I can't afford, like trusting the police. It's the reason I'm sending money to Rob Quist in Montana. He was a Sanders supporter and is anti-gun control and other most circumstances I wouldn't send him a dime but every seat in Congress matters. Every single [!@#$%^&*] one.

I've gotten to the point that I just ignore the purity people. they want the perfect Democrat.....then build her/him in a lab. they don't exist....I had to realize that you have to take things as they are with candidates one votes for. I was a HRC fan but Obama stayed more consistent to me. I remember the last DNC last year....every speaker was a firebrand. every single one was lighting the place up...except her. But, I KNEW she was so much better than the idiot we have in office now. Dems need work in many areas....but people not voting because the candidate isn't exactly they way they want will keep Republicans winning, because they truly don't care IMO how that person is. 

 

ROFLMAO

 

 

1 hour ago, marceline said:

 

I never thought of that one as a troll. The original remark...yeah.

 

It's just so funny because the 2008 primary is the only time my mom and I have ever been on the opposite side of a issue. We've had issues where our level of engagement is different - LGBT rights for example - but we've never been opponents. Of course when I remind mom of that she's very quick to point out that she had nothing against Barack but she simply didn't know him while she'd been a supporter of Hillary's for decades. Hillary was family and Obama was that cousin that we'd never seen at a previous reunion. But don't dare make it sound like she likes one more than the other. She loves them both like they were made of cake.

I'm sick of purity ponies screaming "sellout" whenever they encounter real world politics. I have my dealbreakers, one of which is reproductive rights, (I could and will never vote for an anti-choice Dem.) but I am one of those dreaded establishment pragmatists so I'm going to do what needs doing. Also, as a black woman, purity politcs are a luxury I can't afford, like trusting the police. It's the reason I'm sending money to Rob Quist in Montana. He was a Sanders supporter and is anti-gun control and other most circumstances I wouldn't send him a dime but every seat in Congress matters. Every single [!@#$%^&*] one.

 

 

1 hour ago, Roman said:

I've gotten to the point that I just ignore the purity people. they want the perfect Democrat.....then build her/him in a lab. they don't exist....I had to realize that you have to take things as they are with candidates one votes for. I was a HRC fan but Obama stayed more consistent to me. I remember the last DNC last year....every speaker was a firebrand. every single one was lighting the place up...except her. But, I KNEW she was so much better than the idiot we have in office now. Dems need work in many areas....but people not voting because the candidate isn't exactly they way they want will keep Republicans winning, because they truly don't care IMO how that person is. 

 

 

Truth.

 

 

10 hours ago, marceline said:

 

I never thought of that one as a troll. The original remark...yeah.

 

It's just so funny because the 2008 primary is the only time my mom and I have ever been on the opposite side of a issue. We've had issues where our level of engagement is different - LGBT rights for example - but we've never been opponents. Of course when I remind mom of that she's very quick to point out that she had nothing against Barack but she simply didn't know him while she'd been a supporter of Hillary's for decades. Hillary was family and Obama was that cousin that we'd never seen at a previous reunion. But don't dare make it sound like she likes one more than the other. She loves them both like they were made of cake.

I'm sick of purity ponies screaming "sellout" whenever they encounter real world politics. I have my dealbreakers, one of which is reproductive rights, (I could and will never vote for an anti-choice Dem.) but I am one of those dreaded establishment pragmatists so I'm going to do what needs doing. Also, as a black woman, purity politics are a luxury I can't afford, like trusting the police. It's the reason I'm sending money to Rob Quist in Montana. He was a Sanders supporter and is anti-gun control and under most circumstances I wouldn't send him a dime but every seat in Congress matters. Every single [!w@#$%^&*] one.

I'm one of those Democrats that voted for Hillary over Obama in 2008 primary, and if that makes me a troll, so be it. The only conservative that posts on here is GregNYC, and he doesn't really defend his positions. I'm a member of other forums, where there's more diverse political viewpoints (Conservatives, Libetarians, Bernie Bros, Liberals), and we go back and forth with each other.