20 minutes ago, Ms. Quartermaine said:

 

I cried last night, but it was a quiet cry. I am now crying, and it's ugly. I'm also fighting bronchitis which has gotten worse over the last few days, and I feel like all my coughing is gonna result in me vomiting. Sorry if that's too much information. I guess if that happens, I can at least go home... 

 

Just hang in there as best you can.  Please.  We'll all get through this together somehow...

10 minutes ago, Vee said:

We do have to go on. The problem is not all these idiots will die out in 4-8 years. We have to mobilize, and yeah, we have to re-radicalize in some ways. It is now offcially time to go further and more stridently to the left, IMO. You cannot win these people, you can only destroy them.

Need to decompress but I wonder how easy it's going to be for black people especially to ever trust a white person again. Especially seeing how it's likely some of those who were allegedly counted on for support, betrayed us all for the sake of either making a protest vote, not voting, or protesting by voting for Trump. Regrouping is going to be difficult.

 

So do y'all think that Hillary was disliked, dare I say "hated", so much that people voted for DJT?  I don't understand this.  I really don't.

 

How the [!@#$%^&*] am I going to get any work done today, I have no idea...

5 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

Need to decompress but I wonder how easy it's going to be for black people especially to ever trust a white person again. Especially seeing how it's likely some of those who were allegedly counted on for support, betrayed us all for the sake of either making a protest vote, not voting, or protesting by voting for Trump. Regrouping is going to be difficult.

 

Yeah, I'm going to hate Bernie Sanders and his ilk forever.

11 minutes ago, GMac said:

 

So do y'all think that Hillary was disliked, dare I say "hated", so much that people voted for DJT?  I don't understand this.  I really don't.

 

How the [!@#$%^&*] am I going to get any work done today, I have no idea...

 

To me, there was a confluence of things.

 

White America has really severely disliked Hillary for decades. I don't know whether it was the "not baking cookies" comment or taking back Bill after the affair but the fact that White women abandoned her, says a lot.

 

Many bore a grudge against Obama, never accepted him and seek to stamp out his legacy. Don't let the popularity/approval ratings fool you. People will say one thing in surveys and do another at the ballot box.  There is a contingent that is especially bitter that Obama won a second term and sought ways to obliterate any chance of a defacto 'Third Obama term' in a Hillary Clinton administration.

 

Also, some Black millenials (and some Whites) complained that Obama let them down, didn't do enough-- forgetting completely the obstructions he had to face.  For me, the one mistake Obama made (if you can call it that) was to believe that Republicans would be reasonable and respect him as Commander-in-Chief and work with him to pass actual legislation. Nope.  Well, those who think that Obama fell short, are really going to learn that it can get much worse.

 

The real "rigged system" was the voter suppression that went on in many pockets that had minority populations. For every voter that went to the ACLU or NAACP to lodge a complaint and asserted their rights. Many more were dispirited and gave up. The repeal of the Voting Rights Act, meant many GOP headed states were free to close or, move many voting stations out of urban areas with a more diverse/minority population in favor of suburan/exurban less diverse/Whiter communities.

It's downright dispiriting that the media is underplaying or not reporting the role of voter suppression, voter intimidation in all of this.

31 minutes ago, JaneAusten said:

Need to decompress but I wonder how easy it's going to be for black people especially to ever trust a white person again. Especially seeing how it's likely some of those who were allegedly counted on for support, betrayed us all for the sake of either making a protest vote, not voting, or protesting by voting for Trump. Regrouping is going to be difficult.

 

That is going to be a rift for some time to come. Also immigrants. I know some recently naturalized U.S. citizens who voted in their first election yesterday and they are dispirited, depressed. I haven't the words to tell them.

 

Charles Blow is on Twitter right now tweeting that he is struggling for words. In response to someone to tweeted @him to talk about white supremacy and anti-blackness, he said:

 

" I've written about this so much that I'm not sure that I have a new way to discuss it. It exists. It's a problem. America doesn't care... " 

 

Many people, including me, feel a breach of trust. I feel more self-conscious of the gulf between what people say and what they do. What people say to my face versus what they are saying when I'm not in the room. What 'they' truly think about me despite their words and rhetoric.

 

 

Maybe it's  too early for this, but I need hope.  Does the Democratic Party have any good "prospects" for 2020? It would be poetic justice if it was a Hispanic who defeated Trump in 2020.  What about Michelle Obama? Would she ever consider running? Trump winning shows you don't need experience. 

There are prospects. But we're going to need to tack to the left and tack strong. There's a portion of the electorate that respects the illusion of strength before anything else, and not all of that is Trump's base.

 

The potential achilles heel for the GOP here is this: Trump does not believe in Republican principles. He has no core beliefs in anything other than himself. Five, ten years ago he was chummy with the Clintons and espoused liberal values because they were popular. He already considers the GOP establishment traitors who did not genuflect to him. He doesn't care about parties, he cares about himself. If a smart Democrat in Congress gets in his ear the right way, they can turn him, flatter him and cajole him towards less disastrous policy. All he cares about is attention, and anyone can coax and work him. Kellyanne Conway has done it all summer and fall.

 

I'm not saying he will be turned into some sort of liberal president or great guy. That's never happening. But Trump can be worked and semi-managed, and it is possible to make him relatively ineffectual. Possible, not probable. That's what Paul Ryan has thought all along and it's what we can and likely will have to do to mitigate some of the damage. We will need someone to play lion tamer to Trump on the inside of the government while quietly building some kind of new, unified and aggressive resistance out here.

Edited November 9, 20169 yr by Vee

We fight for our country is what we need to do! We don't give up

40 minutes ago, Toups said:

Maybe it's  too early for this, but I need hope.  Does the Democratic Party have any good "prospects" for 2020? It would be poetic justice if it was a Hispanic who defeated Trump in 2020.  What about Michelle Obama? Would she ever consider running? Trump winning shows you don't need experience. 

I think Michelle Obama could beat him

 

People are assuming he'll be there in 4 years, he's Trump, he'll do something to get impeached or assassinated

7 hours ago, Juliajms said:

I'm having a hard time processing this. I feel like I need to understand the details of exactly how this happened and how so many people got it wrong. I guess for now it's time for ambien and sleep.

Honestly Hillary was a weak candidate - that's what the numbers consistently say. She lost all of the states that Bernie picked up in the primary, which more or less forecasted her failure. Combine that with the emails and that was more then enough for a failed bid for the presidency. Another potential red flag was this mistaken belief that white women would not support their white men in those red states. I think these polls need to take into consideration that not every woman is a individualistic vote. I think if anything this underscores that in those deep red states, and even the ones that leaned Trump, that those women will support their men. No matter what. IT's a value's based decision based on their lifestyle choices and upbringing.

I don't think Michelle Obama is going to want to see the inside of Washington for many years, if ever. She was viscerally horrified by Donald Trump and this is a profound dishonor to her husband and his legacy.

 

I do think this is the man who could potentially actualize her as a politician running herself, someday, after her girls are grown. I wouldn't mind that. But mostly I just want to see her vindicated someday.

Edited November 9, 20169 yr by Vee

How does Hillary win the popular vote and lose the election? I'm baffled by that

Can't wait for the next election. Donald Trump vs Kanye West. What a joke.

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

I don't think Michelle Obama is going to want to see the inside of Washington for many years, if ever. She was viscerally horrified by Donald Trump and this is a profound dishonor to her husband and his legacy.

 

I do think this is the man who could potentially actualize her as a politician running herself, someday, after her girls are grown. I wouldn't mind that. But mostly I just want to see her vindicated someday.

I don't think that's going to take long at all.

5 minutes ago, AlexElizabeth said:

Can't wait for the next election. Donald Trump vs Kanye West. What a joke.

Nah given what a mockery trump made of everyone it'll be something like Chris Brown vs. Kanye West

13 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

How does Hillary win the popular vote and lose the election? I'm baffled by that

 

Similar to what happened to Al Gore. The Electoral College.

 

When the KKK rejoices at an election outcome, how can the rest of us feel anything but immense sadness? https://t.co/MfToL3qO2P

— Nicholas Kristof (@NickKristof) November 9, 2016

Edited November 9, 20169 yr by DramatistDreamer