Yeah, the Arizona thing is strange. Fox News Decision Desk is generally spot on. They actually just issued a statement a little while ago that they still stand by their call. The AP also called it, which they are normally the last one to call a state. They haven't retracted either. 

 

I don't think it's going to matter anyways, by morning, Biden will be ahead in PA and likely win it. 

Told you:

 

 

That won't go anywhere either. Here's why.

 

 

He's referring to a margin that previously favored Trump.

 

 

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Incumbent Senator Gary Peters just won Michigan - I believe that brings Dem senators to 47.  They may have 2 runoffs (will have at least one). 
 

Just heard Arizona should have their numbers tonight. Nevada will not have their numbers until tomorrow.

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Despair: 

 

 

 

I shall savor this.

 

 

 

 

I swear, if I never hear the terms "deep state", "radical left" and especially "fake news" again, I will be a happy girl.

 

21 minutes ago, Vee said:

 

 

 

Yes, we won, but -- as I said this morning -- we needed to do more than just win a presidential election.  We also needed to declare a moral victory against right-wing nationalism, which we can't, because 45-50 percent of us still voted for Trump.  How do we reconcile ourselves with that knowledge?  How can we coexist with so many whose hearts and minds refuse to be changed?  And how is it supposed to help restore the faith and trust that other nations once had in us?

 

Factor in our inability to take back the Senate -- which will make it difficult, if not impossible, for Biden/Harris to implement even a tenth of their agenda, lest we're able to regain it in '22 -- and I'm left feeling like Biden's victory is a pyrrhic one.  Yeah, he won, but now we're faced with the threat of a nation that might be broken beyond repair.

 

When you ask yourself why so many people have voted for that sociopath, remember that a big chunk of the answer is Fox news. Every one of those cynical bastards know that they are lying to the American people, but they laugh all the way to the bank.

 

Over and over I've seen the same scenario play out. A person retires or loses their job and they start watching Fox "News" 24/7. Then they start to believe the Democrats are socialist who want to take their guns and are all in favor of late term abortion on demand. Democrats really don't have a good way to combat that propaganda, yet. We need to figure out how to deprogram the ones that can be saved though.

5 minutes ago, Khan said:

Yes, we won, but -- as I said this morning -- we needed to do more than just win a presidential election. 

 

No, we didn't. Moral victories mean absolutely nothing to me after 2016. Not after I saw those families in cages or those fuckíng Nazis and their torches. Not after they shot up the synagogue minutes from my grandparents' family home. This is a bloodsport now. Winning is the only calculus that matters. We can worry about the soul of the nation after we slit the beast's throat.

 

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We also needed to declare a moral victory against right-wing nationalism, which we can't, because 45-50 percent of us still voted for Trump.  How do we reconcile ourselves with that knowledge?  How can we coexist with so many whose hearts and minds refuse to be changed?

 

Amanda Marcotte's piece posted a page or two back discusses this. The answer is: You simply outwork them. They have always been here and they will still be here. You outwork them, pick off the more laissez-faire ignorant/swing voters that learn to change (and there are plenty lazy, uncommitted, more casually racist white voters IMO who once voted for Obama then swung to Trump after feeling uncomfortable for eight years), and electorally wipe out the ones that don't. Then wait for time and tide to sweep them away.

 

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And how is it supposed to help restore the faith and trust that other nations once had in us?

That is something Biden/Harris can do one day at a time.

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10 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Yes, we won, but -- as I said this morning -- we needed to do more than just win a presidential election.  We also needed to declare a moral victory against right-wing nationalism, which we can't, because 45-50 percent of us still voted for Trump.  How do we reconcile ourselves with that knowledge?  How can we coexist with so many whose hearts and minds refuse to be changed?  And how is it supposed to help restore the faith and trust that other nations once had in us?

 

Factor in our inability to take back the Senate -- which will make it difficult, if not impossible, for Biden/Harris to implement even a tenth of their agenda, lest we're able to regain it in '22 -- and I'm left feeling like Biden's victory is a pyrrhic one.  Yeah, he won, but now we're faced with the threat of a nation that might be broken beyond repair.

A black woman is going to be the VP. That is not a Pyrrhic victory. Children will no longer be purposely traumatized and scarred for life on our border. That is victory in this messy world we live in.

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Just now, Juliajms said:

A black woman is going to be the VP. That is not a pyrrhic victory. CHildren will no longer be purposely traumatized and scarred for life on boarder. That is victory in this messy world we live in.

Word.

 

 

Speaking of Maggie, she has a long piece out claiming this election proves Trump will remain an active force in the party. I don't believe it for a second. He doesn't give two fúcks about the GOP. He's looking to make money, stroke his ego and do as little as possible. He has no stamina, no work ethic and has barely been interested in playing president. Playing kingmaker in a party he stepped into for an ego boost is beyond him. He'll try to build a media network or something (it'll fall apart) and that's it. He'll fade away sooner than people think. But this piece just reads like Maggie and co. auditioning to keep their jobs as Trump Whisperers.