I'm sorry, but didn't OLTL "kill" taped episodes surrounding a school shooting about a year ago, because they didn't want to offend? They seem to have a conscience whenever it suits them.

Damn, I had forgotten all about that until you said it! You're so right!!!! Wow, that puts a whole new angle on this. Makes even less sense now.

ETA: Although to be fair, they pulled it because there WAS a school shooting right before it was going to air. So it was all over the news. Apparently, unless this just happened in real life, they don't think we should be sensitive to it.

Edited October 28, 200817 yr by brimike

Damn, I had forgotten all about that until you said it! You're so right!!!! Wow, that puts a whole new angle on this. Makes even less sense now.

And those episodes were taped and ready to air....I think OLTL is playing games with everyone- we all know they're capable of pulling things when they want to remain sensitive to their viewers-

and I doubt they got as much backlash for the possibility of that story line...They obviously wanted to air these episodes, and are banking on them being successful.

You have to admit they are a very sexy couple though.

I know I would forgive him, not to mention that he looks 100 times hotter than the Todd who raped her.. lol Plus he is buying her all these beautiful things...

And BTW a find a Forrester-Logan party on B&B far more offensive where everybody has slept with everybody else.

Todd and Marty are the most interesting soap opera couple in ages.. I love them and I guess other people love them too.

You have to admit they are a very sexy couple though.

I know I would forgive him, not to mention that he looks 100 times hotter than the Todd who raped her.. lol Plus he is buying her all these beautiful things...

And BTW a find a Forrester-Logan party on B&B far more offensive where everybody has slept with everybody else.

Todd and Marty are the most interesting soap opera couple in ages.. I love them and I guess other people love them too.

Elsa, you know I luv ya, but we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

Oh no, fictional characters involved in a fictional rape are going to engage in fictional sex. I think some people are blowing the Todd and Marty stuff way out of proportion. It's one thing to dislike a storyline but what I've been reading is vitriolic and seems to suggest this has some foot in reality when it clearly doesn't.

Heaven forbid people be upset by a rapist manipulating his former GANG rape victim, and on top of that mind raping her, and keeping her from her family and friends.

Please don't tell people how they should feel. This storyline is sick and disgusting and I hope it's FINALLY what gets Carlavati fired, but unfortunately I doubt it will, cause Frons is probably getting his rocks off on this crap.

You have to admit they are a very sexy couple though.

Uh no actually I don't, I don't find anything sexy about a rapist and his victim

Edited October 28, 200817 yr by Zendall Fan

Source: Soapzone

Todd And Marty Have Sex!

As Marty's been getting physically stronger, so have her feelings for Todd, and this week, the unlikely duo finally takes things to the next level. SH (Marty) says "her little head's not really in the right place, but in it's place she feels she's in love with this man and she wants to take the next step. It feels like any other couple would;it's just that everybody else is looking at it differently." Leading up to the big moment, Todd announces that he bought them a home in New Mexico, and surprises her with a wardrobe for their new life together. SH says "He's just thinking, 'You need some clothes. You can't walk around in your pajamas.' So he buys her a bunch of stuff and she finds this hot little dress. I'd like to think it could have happened in her pajamas, but you know, it's a soap opera, so she has to find a little black dress." Of course, Todd is taken with how she appears in the dress, but continues to wrestle with his conscience, even suggesting that she'd be better off without him. Marty then admits she's fallen for him, and one things leads to another. SH says "As far as she's concerned, this man took care of her and she sees a certain version. She's gotta get her life together and move ahead. They're planning a life together, so I guess this makes sense to her. She's also physically more comfortable. She's getting her body back; she was in a lot of pain for a long time and I think that's part of it, too." SH maintains that the scene is far from graphic. "I think that the point is now she feels strong enough, period. The rest is up to your imagination." Meanwhile, Starr is giving birth and requests Todd's presence at the hospital. SH says "It's a whole bunch of stuff happening at the same time, which I think is going to be exciting. You don't know what's going to happen, but it'll be interesting."

Edited October 28, 200817 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

You know, if Trevor was playing his conscience for even one second, I could see what this plot point is happening off of - but it all seems so manipulative (in how he's playing it, not just talking about how it's written), that the whole "you're better off without me" line doesn't seem genuine. It just seems like he's using reverse psychology on her. The way it's written in the article Alvin posted above, I could almost see it - if we really saw this inner struggle in Todd. But he comes across as having planned this all along.

Edited October 28, 200817 yr by brimike

Oh no, fictional characters involved in a fictional rape are going to engage in fictional sex. I think some people are blowing the Todd and Marty stuff way out of proportion. It's one thing to dislike a storyline but what I've been reading is vitriolic and seems to suggest this has some foot in reality when it clearly doesn't.

I love when people pull the "it's fiction" card. We all know it's fiction. We are commenting on that fiction.

Do you see the irony of posting on an internet message board devoted to soap operas and accusing people of taking the show too seriously? Using your reasoning this site shouldn't exist at all because its all just silly fiction. How many people in your life know you watch - let alone discuss - soaps? If it's all so trivial then maybe you should post on a board dedicated to a subject more serious and worthy of discussion like cosmic string theory or the latest developments in product liability law.

Edited October 28, 200817 yr by marceline

SH wanking this storyline doesn't do anything for me, no matter how you slice it crap is still crap

You know, if Trevor was playing his conscience for even one second, I could see what this plot point is happening off of - but it all seems so manipulative (in how he's playing it, not just talking about how it's written), that the whole "you're better off without me" line doesn't seem genuine.

IMO, the big failing in this story - aside from the fact that it spits in the face of history and common decency - is that the audience hasn't been privy to Todd inner process. There's nobody on screen to show the audience what Todd is thinking. In past stories, (better) writers have found a way to show the audience what the hell was going on in Todd's head whether through Starr, Viki, Evangeline or even Moose. (This story needs a parrot.)

But in the F(Ron)sverse its all about wanting the pretty people to screw.

Edited October 28, 200817 yr by marceline

I'm sure the angle that will be sold is what has always been written here but rarely performed by TSJ - that Todd's twisted mind views his new relationship with Marty as some cathartic emotional process where he can deal with his issues and his past and move forward. In Todd's mind, Marty taking him as a lover (WHILE SHE HAS BRAIN DAMAGE!!!!) changes them and changes their history forever. But unfortunately none of Todd's insane perspective on this justifies anything he does or allows the audience to sympathize with him. And as it is, the writing has been too surface for him because they don't seem able or willing to let TSJ plumb the depths. Overall it's just grotesque. After he does this, he is an animal and needs to be put down. There are also too many people in Llanview who love Marty who would never let him live. And that's not even getting to Blair or Tea or Starr.

I suppose they could salvage his character with some long drawn-out therapy arc. But why should I care? Who's to say in 15 years they don't do it again? Who's next? Starr? Blair? How can you ever do another time-honored "Todd ruminates on his past at the crypt" scene where people sit around telling him oh, Todd, you're not Victor, you've changed, you've grown. Yes. We all see how he's grown.

Edited October 28, 200817 yr by Vee

I suppose some would defend Marty giving birth to Todd's child now too...

Not me. This is Khan, backing the hell away from this story.

As I said earlier, I don't see how Ron or ANY, and I mean any, HW could save Todd now. He's gone too far. I mean I'm sure they'll find a way out of it(whether its a good or bad way is a different story) but in my eyes, this is the end for him.

How can you ever do another time-honored "Todd ruminates on his past at the crypt" scene where people sit around telling him oh, Todd, you're not Victor, you've changed, you've grown. Yes. We all see how he's grown.

It's comments like these that really REALLY make me appreciate you, Vee. :-) If they pull a Lord Mausoleum scene anytime in the next six months, I will think of you and heartily laugh as I quickly turn the channel.

Todd has been gone for years, and IMO Trevor isn't that great of an actor, big reason why I find his Todd unrootable, because of the writing AND the acting