4 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

Why is he driving in circles 😂

He's imitating his career after leaving Y&R and KL.

"We're friends. We go back a long way. When I need you ... I'll let you know."

-- Gary, laying down the law with Karen.

Also, I know the broad strokes of what happens with Cathy, but I'm curious what her last interactions with Laura will be like.

I just noticed Tubi has the whole run of KL up now! When did this happen? During it's original run I watched the later seasons around the time of Nicolette Sheridan's arrival and have always wanted to watch from the beginning. I guess it's like a Christmas present. 😀

Wait a moment, was Ben playing "Memory" from Cats on the piano for Val in "Awakenings"? It's at the start of their scene, before he plays "That's All."

ETA: Val, the opportunity to kick out that nagging little cornpone mama of yours was there on a plate. You shoulda taken it!

Edited December 13Dec 13 by Franko

Up to "Until Parted by Death." Did Joshua really think Mack was going to buy his bull about Cathy being on drugs? One more episode to go, and when we get to that scene, I might just have to get out some cake frosting and watch it on a loop, a la Goldie Hawn in Death Becomes Her.

JVA approves?

I don't know about Mack, but I would've bought it. The poor girl had to be on something if she believed the Joshua she met and fell in love with was still there.

But seriously.

I guess all the signs pointing toward Joshua's downfall were there from the beginning: the absent mother, the abusive father, the basic naivete about the world beyond his father's church. Nevertheless, I feel like Joshua (and the audience) didn't have enough time to enjoy the upswing his life in Knots Landing had taken before it all collapsed into [!@#$%^&*]. It's like, one minute, he's the new go-fer at Pacific World Cable; the next minute, he's taken over Rev. Kathrun's show and getting fantastic ratings; and then, the minute after that, he's beating the hell out of Cathy and blaming half the cast for taking away his show. And it's all happening within, like, a year, lol.

I realize Mike Filerman hated Alec Baldwin and wanted him gone like yesterday, but damn!

Edited December 14Dec 14 by Khan

18 minutes ago, Khan said:

I don't know about Mack, but I would've bought it. The poor girl had to be on something if she believed the Joshua she met and fell in love with was still there.

Luckily, Cathy didn't believe that. I think the moment she realized Joshua could not be redeemed was when he showed up at the apartment she wanted them to live in to cajole, then harass her.

I've been harsh on Joshua's downfall, but there are some fascinating moments in "Pictures at a Wedding" and "Until Parted by Dark." Joshua saying to Linda's boyfriend that if a woman wanted him to leave her alone, he'd do it. It felt like Joshua genuinely believed that, like he wasn't just saying that to assert superiority on Ken or as his own private joke. If you didn't know better, you could think the show was belatedly laying the groundwork for Joshua having some sort of mental excuse for compartmentalizing right and wrong.

The Mack moment might play into that, but to me, it just came across as someone trying an 11th hour excuse that nobody in their right mind would believe.

Knots at the movies: Joshua and Cathy alone in Laura's living room was giving me Star 80 vibes*. Later, when he's at her car asking her "how my show went," my mind went to the climactic scene in What's Love Got to Do With It**.

*That had to have been extremely uncomfortable for Laura, realizing that something similar to "Night" nearly once again happened in her house.

**I know that What's Love wasn't released until after Knots ended. I'm curious if Tina Turner surviving domestic abuse was common knowledge until after she released I, Tina in 1986.

18 minutes ago, Khan said:

I guess all the signs pointing toward Joshua's downfall were there from the beginning: the absent mother, the abusive father, the basic naivete about the world beyond his father's church. Nevertheless, I feel like Joshua (and the audience) didn't have enough time to enjoy the upswing his life in Knots Landing had taken before it all collapsed into [!@#$%^&*]. It's like, one minute, he's the new go-fer at Pacific World Cable; the next minute, he's taken over Rev. Kathrun's show and getting fantastic ratings; and then, the minute after that, he's beating the hell out of Cathy and blaming half the cast for taking away his show. And it's all happening within, like, a year, lol.

I realize Mike Filerman hated Alec Baldwin and wanted him gone like yesterday, but damn!

Part of me wonders if someone at the show didn't have a tinny bit of regret that they didn't have a televangelist character around to do a ripped from the headlines story once Jim Bakker's scandal happened.

Joshua descent into madness and eventual death was painful to watch. That storyline and Empire Valley becoming a mess caused Knots Landing to tank for me.

9 hours ago, kalbir said:

Joshua descent into madness and eventual death was painful to watch.

I agree. Especially because it happened so damn quickly, with absolutely no breathing room for him, for Cathy, for all of us.

David Jacobs insisted that was the plan all along, but I doubt it. I think they had every intention of keeping Joshua around for years to come, but Michael Filerman and his ego ruined everything.

9 hours ago, kalbir said:

That storyline and Empire Valley becoming a mess caused Knots Landing to tank for me.

I'd still love for someone who was there to explain to us what the original intention was for Empire Valley; was it ALWAYS meant to be revealed as an underground spy network? Because, even if that wasn't how it started, it still feels as if they were leading up to something big. Otherwise, why invest so much time in another real estate development scheme? We'd already been there and done that with Lotus Point.

Edited December 14Dec 14 by Khan

I think had the showrunners not been switched out, I think we would have seen a slower descent for Joshua in season 7 and perhaps the cliffhanger would have been the rooftop confrontation between Lillimae and Joshua.

2 hours ago, Khan said:

I agree. Especially because it happened so damn quickly, with absolutely no breathing room for him, for Cathy, for all of us.

David Jacobs insisted that was the plan all along, but I doubt it. I think they had every intention of keeping Joshua around for years to come, but Michael Filerman and his ego ruined everything.

I bet Michael Filerman was p----- that Alec Baldwin moved on to bigger and better things.

2 hours ago, Khan said:

I'd still love for someone who was there to explain to us what the original intention was for Empire Valley; was it ALWAYS meant to be revealed as an underground spy network? Because, even if that wasn't how it started, it still feels as if they were leading up to something big. Otherwise, why invest so much time in another real estate development scheme? We'd already been there and done that with Lotus Point.

From the buildup of Empire Valley in season 6, it looked like something big was going to happen in season 7 but the result was a mess.

From what I understood, I think Empire Valley was supposed to be a Lotus Point only in a much larger scale.

Lotus Point was supposed to the 80s version of a Green resort and office complex that was energy efficient and safe... while Empire Valley was going to be a housing complex that was built to be green, energy efficient, and on a community level. I remember Karen in season 6 being excited about the development and she was one of those annoying environmental feminist nuts

It's actually pretty sad that the Knots landscape is filled with businesses and locations that ended up slipping away, being let go of, or flaming out spectacularly. Knots Landing Motors. Daniel's. Westfork Ranch. Lotus Point. Pacific World Cable. Empire Valley. Hell, even Tidal Energy. It's like an extra-pointless game of Monopoly, with The Sumner Group as Park Place. Who knows, maybe the community pulled a Neighbours and in-universe, Seaview Circle itself has been torn down for road expansion.

Knots Landing got corporate with Lotus Point and I think that was in response to Dynasty blowing up and becoming a pop culture phenomenon.