Kay Alden is working miracles for B&B. They need her more than Y&R does.

Yes, it surely is a miracle to make a show even more craptastic than it already is.

Yes, it surely is a miracle to make a show even more craptastic than it already is.

Yes - gosh, how I miss the days of incest, dropped storylines and everything revolving around Brooke.

Yes - gosh, how I miss the days of incest, dropped storylines and everything revolving around Brooke.

And how I miss the days when poorly developed newer characters didn't lead the entire show, when camp was used for fun purposes, not serious ones, and when storylines actually made a lick of sense. Whatever Alden's contributions are, it seems to me that show took B&B's worst facets and highlighted them, and it's showing just how overrated she is.

I'm new. Nice to meet you all. These are my random opinions of the show thus far.

The bad

I don't know where to begin. Boring storylines, bad actors, waste of good actors, boring couples.

• They need to undo Jill and Katherine being mother/daughter. Waste of JC and JW chemistry as adversaries.
• Newmans - Josh Morrow, Amelia Heinle - bad, bad actors. Esp AH - She sucks as Vicki. Bring back Heather Tom.
• Heather/ Vail Bloom - pretty but zero sex appeal. Bad actress. Terrible with Chris Engen. Same for Tammin S.
• Burn down Restless style. Send Jack back to Jabot. Sharon is obsessed with every man except for her husband. Get her a new man because Jack is not working and Shick is like watching paint dry.
• Lane - I know they have the fans... but they are the new Shick. Get them off my screen. Bring back Davetta Sherwood.
• Get rid of Amber - fast forward material.
• Ditto Gloria - waste of airtime. Jeffrey can stay.
• What the heck have they done to Kevin? Bring back Adrianne and let's see Colleen/Kevin. Jana is ok.. but whatevs.

The good

• Latham is gone.... but Hogan Sheffer? Bring back Kay Alden.
• Chloe - A bit psycho but entertaining and atleast she keeps Lane apart.
• Adam - Crappy writing but actor is v. good.
• Yay for Eileen coming back. Too bad Jerry Douglas can't come back. Latham needs to be burned for killing off John Abbott.

Other

• Give Likey a better storyline.
• Give Phyllis a decent story. I want to see Kay Alden's version of Phyllis. Phick - great chemistry, great actress, but Phick need a good storyline or Phyllis should dump Nick and get herself a new man.
• Too bad we can't see David Tom/Ash Bash on our screens. Great couple. No clue if Billy Miller is any good.
• I miss Miguel!
• Get Jack a woman - bring back Diane. Poor chap needs to be happy for a change.
• Dru - miss her. Neil needs to be front burner. Karen - boring.
• Bring back Nina, Traci.
• Daniel needs a better storyline. Graz is good.
• Victor needs to stop winning every single time.

Welcome Snickerdoodle! It's a pretty happy bunch here at SON, hope you feel welcomed.

I like a lot of what you said, especially about Phyllis, that character has been slaughtered. I love Kay Alden...but she's done with Y&R...I can now concede that she's a worker bee...so what we saw during her reign at Y&R was still a lot of the late great Bill Bell. In the same way, the things people dislike at B&B (which I happen to enjoy) are due to Brad Bell. I think Hogan Sheffer and MAB have done a decent job...Josh Griffith is a bad joke...I say keep Hogan and MAB on board, they're getting into their groove.

I'm loving the show right now.

Edited September 7, 200817 yr by DaytimeFan

I hate short weeks. Especially when it's pre-empted for tennis. Blah.

I did enjoy all three days this past week. I enjoyed all the Nick/Sharon and Noah stuff. I have to assume that making such a huge deal about him attending public school can only mean there will be a problem. Although I think it would be nice if there wasn't...at least not right away. I like that Nick and Sharon took the time to listen to Noah and consider what he said. Parents who care about their child....strange thing to see on daytime.

And I know everyone here adores EH...as an actress, she's ok with me...but I HATE Chloe. I mean I hate her. (And no I'm not a Cane and Lily fan either. ) She has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. If they want her to be bad, fine...make her bad. But at least attempt to make me understand why she's bad. Being the maid's daughter just doesn't cut it as an excuse for her behavior to me. Make her multi-dimensional. So far all I've seen is this horrible bitch that doesn't give a damn who she hurts. I want to find the character interesting, but so far....I just don't.

I thought EB was brilliant this week. No one does pissed off quite as well as EB when Victor gets in one of his moods. Are we sure Victor isn't manic depressive like Sonny on GH? I think I enjoy the character more when he's being an ass that I do when he's all nice to everyone.

It has been ages since I've been excited about watching the show, but I am looking forward to next week. The spoilers coming out are all very interesting and make the show sound like must see TV once again. I hope the trend continues.

Edited September 7, 200817 yr by Becki

Yes - gosh, how I miss the days of incest, dropped storylines and everything revolving around Brooke.

And there aren't still signs of incestuous overtones on the show? What about the Bridget/Nick/Katie story, with Nick yet again professing his love for Bridget while claiming to have love for another woman in her family? And hasn't Donna upped the ante even more of the old time stories with Logan women sleeping with Forrester men? The overtones are still there, just with different players.

As for dropped storylines, how about Jackie buying Spectra? Or Brooke's rape, which was driving the story a year ago only to now be a footnote that's barely even mentioned? And unless something changes, even the recent Beth Logan story seems to be headed to dropped status soon given the lack of airtime it gets.

And instead of everything revolving around Brooke, instead everything revolves around Donna and Katie. Except the difference is that while the two younger Logan sisters have their roots in B&B's past, they don't have the history on the show that their big sister does, so their being shoved onto the front burner over long running characters isn't going over very well with a lot of fans.

But to bring this back to Y&R, I think the kind of stories B&B has been telling since Alden came on staff at least suggests that she's better suited to Y&R. Alden worked on Y&R for more than 30 years before her being ousted under Lynn Marie Latham. She was there through the heydays of all the veteran characters and was Bill Bell's right hand during the creation of others. But on B&B, she doesn't have that history, so stories focus more on members of a family that other than one member hadn't been at B&B's core in years, and the focus on fashion, long a hallmark of B&B, is gone. I know there's some differences of opinion on this board as to whether or not Alden should ever go back to Y&R, but IMO, at least on Y&R she'd be working with what the show was all about in the years she worked on it, whereas she's taken B&B away from it's core.

Edited September 7, 200817 yr by boldfan01

GAH Amelia was sooo much more interesting when she first came to AMC. I actually miss the original four fusion girls sooo much..But as Victoria she just doesn't even try to emote...And it's strange I watched some of her early days on Y&R on youtube and she actually seemed to be trying back then and now she's just..gah..

I totally agree. Amelia comes across as so dull. She is not Victoria.. she just does nothing for the part. and her and JT have got to be the most boring couple on tv.. I sure hope they have more chemistry in the real world compared to the reel world.

I find Lily and Cane the most boring part of the story. CK is a weak actress most of the time and DG is merely adequate although at least he seems to want to be a better actor from what I have read. To me the interesting dynamic is between Chloe, Jill and Katherine with an assist from Esther. In a way I want it revealed that Billy is the real father so Cane and Lily can go away into their own story and be boring together and I will happily FF. Than I can watch the real drama and some strong actresses interacting when I watch Chloe, Jill and Katherine.

I loved that little scene outside of the estate. Chloe is putting on a big act acting like she doesn't care about anything and yet I see a really interesting story in her past. She is whip smart and we see glimpses of insecurity. We need to see more about that. They can go so many places with Chloe and I think Kay likes her. Kay finds someone like Chloe far more interesting than her dufus of a grandson and his pollyanna girlfriend Lily. Think of all the young, smart yet edgy/snarky young women she has mentored over the years from Jill and Lauren to Amber and now hopefully Chloe.

they are the most boring part of the story..Chloe is the only interesting thing to that duo. Ck really is not an actor. She needs to go to a disney channel or something cuz drama is not her forte'.I agree I want it revealed that Billy is the father too so we get Chloe away from the weakos. She is much to strong of a character to be around dumb and dumber.

Totally agree with all of your post.. less cane and lily and more chloe

I'm new. Nice to meet you all. These are my random opinions of the show thus far.

The bad

I don't know where to begin. Boring storylines, bad actors, waste of good actors, boring couples.

• They need to undo Jill and Katherine being mother/daughter. Waste of JC and JW chemistry as adversaries.
• Newmans - Josh Morrow, Amelia Heinle - bad, bad actors. Esp AH - She sucks as Vicki. Bring back Heather Tom.
• Heather/ Vail Bloom - pretty but zero sex appeal. Bad actress. Terrible with Chris Engen. Same for Tammin S.
• Burn down Restless style. Send Jack back to Jabot. Sharon is obsessed with every man except for her husband. Get her a new man because Jack is not working and Shick is like watching paint dry.
• Lane - I know they have the fans... but they are the new Shick. Get them off my screen. Bring back Davetta Sherwood.
• Get rid of Amber - fast forward material.
• Ditto Gloria - waste of airtime. Jeffrey can stay.
• What the heck have they done to Kevin? Bring back Adrianne and let's see Colleen/Kevin. Jana is ok.. but whatevs.

The good

• Latham is gone.... but Hogan Sheffer? Bring back Kay Alden.
• Chloe - A bit psycho but entertaining and atleast she keeps Lane apart.
• Adam - Crappy writing but actor is v. good.
• Yay for Eileen coming back. Too bad Jerry Douglas can't come back. Latham needs to be burned for killing off John Abbott.

Other

• Give Likey a better storyline.
• Give Phyllis a decent story. I want to see Kay Alden's version of Phyllis. Phick - great chemistry, great actress, but Phick need a good storyline or Phyllis should dump Nick and get herself a new man.
• Too bad we can't see David Tom/Ash Bash on our screens. Great couple. No clue if Billy Miller is any good.
• I miss Miguel!
• Get Jack a woman - bring back Diane. Poor chap needs to be happy for a change.
• Dru - miss her. Neil needs to be front burner. Karen - boring.
• Bring back Nina, Traci.
• Daniel needs a better storyline. Graz is good.
• Victor needs to stop winning every single time.

jeez.. I agree with almost every point you made.. great post

jeez.. I agree with almost every point you made.. great post

I agree with most stuff he/she said as well! Welcome!

dmarex, you wanna open a new thread for next week?

INCREDIBLE week of Y&R. I don't remember wanting to see an episode more than I did on Tuesday night, when Victor walks in on them. My lord! SO Good! I got chills. I love it when I get chills LOL. I wish they'd kept him off the canvas a bit longer, though. But oh well. I'd love to see what he has in store for Nick and Victoria and Nikki and Adam. And I'd love to see what Adam will do and if he'll care and if he'll seek revenge. Woot woot!!

As for Chloe, I'm so glad that the writers put her in the mix of the Chancellor story AND provided some background info on her FINALLY! I had been waiting for that since she came on. The fact that she was fat, had glasses, and huge braces makes her hatred for Lily so much more potent. And the fact that she chose Cane to fall in love with, out of any rich dude, I mean, that's the son of the woman her mother hates. She's totally getting back at Jill for treating her mom like ish.

My favorite scene of the entire week with Chloe, though, was when Esther shows up at Crimson Lights with her maid's outfit on. I mean, I would be mortified too and I don't have half as much issues as Chloe does. Anyway, I liked it because it showed her insecurities. For the first time, we're able to see what makes this girl tick. And when she told Esther she wanted to provide her mom with a better life, Esther turns her down, and Chloe's all like, "Screw you! I'm getting mine!" I really appreciate that honesty. The WHY has been answered. I'm so glad the writers had set up her character this way. Hopefully, as mentioned before, she won't be crazy, because I'd like to see her for a long time.

And either CK gets a BACKBONE, Davetta returns, or another strong actress replaces dull-eyed CK, because I'm dying to see Chloe and Lily go at it for years and years. That'd be real juicy.

Hot damn the other storylines are boring boring boring!!!!

I've never been a fan of Amber and Daniel. There simply wasn't enough angst between those two. I think that kind of relationship would work better on a primetime show not on daytime when things are supposed to be super-duper intense.

Phick, Sharon and Jack, I don't really mind. They've all been on the canvas so long that I'm used to them being dull. Restless Style was a bad idea but i don't think it's the worst storyline on the show. And if the writers tapped into Phyllis's and Sharon's bitter disgust for each other more then I think it'd be a great atmosphere for cat fights. Nick and Jack, though, don't belong in this office space as much.

If there are other stoylines that i'm forgetting, they must be really dull LOL. But all in all, Y&R was pretty damn entertaining this last week.

Oh my God, Kay/Jill fighting over Chloe, Esther fighting with Jill, Jill coming to tears because Cane reminded her of their history, Chloe trying to hide Esther, Chloe calming herself down and then barging into the Chancellor Estate to announce that she is moving in.... God, that woman did excellently against JC and JW. I hope the focus now shifts to the Chancellors. It was SO nice to see Jill and Kay having a valid reason to fight again.

And I liked the Victor stuff. I liked the way Adam jumped when he saw Victor, him getting Neil back, firing Adam, and the cliffhanger with the great music....

But am I the only one who thinks the writers are on drugs? About 4 episodes' worth of stuff happened in just one hour. And the pace has been frenetic for weeks (slower, but still crazy). Why did Victor have to come back so fast? Then again, there is no other major storyline to show. Just like B&B: Two big stories, so they have to show them all the time. I just hope they don't butcher Chloe's stay at the Chancellor mansion. I'm glad they're not turning her psycho.

And either CK gets a BACKBONE, Davetta returns, or another strong actress replaces dull-eyed CK, because I'm dying to see Chloe and Lily go at it for years and years. That'd be real juicy.

Sorry, but I just have to reply to this.

Davetta Sherwood was the most lifeless, wooden actress I have ever seen on Y&R. She was even worse than Heather Tom's 1997 replacement, Sarah Aldrich. No wonder TPTB were trying to get Christel back the whole time Davetta was there. I find it hard to believe anyone can call Davetta a "strong" actress.

And that was my pro-Christel/anti-Davetta rant for the day.

OMG!

Was there a weekly thread where there wasn't CK/DS debate?! Can't you people leave it alone?!

She's toxic to every thread. We just need to forget about her.