Nelson said he had a Y&R connection to all of this, and it's been pretty much known that Maria and Josh DO NOT GET ALONG and Bloom's wanted Griffith gone for months.

For rewriting Maria's stuff? For encouraging Y&R actors to write their own scenes? Or does BB just want more active involvement in the day-to-day running of Y&R? (Not contesting what you are saying, just asking).

As to who the three actors are that are being told to rewrite their story, I believe it to be out of Mary Beth Evans, Stephen Nichols, Nadia Bjorlin and maybe Lauren Koslow.

All four actors have had a quick sudden change in their story that seems to have come out of nowhere.

It's been stated that Evans and Nichols have gone to the producers and writers with complaints over how the Ava storyline was handled. And I don't blame the actors one bit for their displease in the story. That's Higley's fault for not writing the story and fallout the way it should have been written.

Also, Bjorlin's involvement in the Lucas/Sami/EJ/Nicole story has also come completely of nowhere. Maybe Bjorlin was sick of just being Philip's f*ck and went to Scott with demands that she be placed in a better story, and Scott gave her the choice to pick which other story to be involved in. She chose the quad. Why, I don't know.

Also, there were no indications that Kate would be involved in Daniel and Chelsea's story. All signs pointed to Lexie being the woman Daniel was secretly in love with. Then, all of a sudden, it's Kate. That came completely out of left field if you ask me. And it's also known that Koslow and Ed Scott are pretty tight. Plues you have to remember that Higley is all for Kate and Roman, so for her to write Kate going after Daniel seems off to me and something she wouldn't do.

Ok, come on, NB? Really? You think she has enough clout at DOOL? She's not a vet. (plus she loves working with JKJ; it was one of the reasons she came back this time) I have an idea of who ES let rewrite their lines but I'm not going to say b/c it's probably a Vet and someone who is part of a very popular couple.

Josh Griffith was doing the same thing to Maria at Y&R, hence why Scott wants him at DAYS and Nelson's touted Y&R connection.

Both Scott and Griffith deserve to NEVER work in this business again.

First, let's get confirmation.

Maybe her writing was so bad that Ed Scott needed to take control.

I'm going to pursue this idea...because there ARE times when desperate times call for desperate measures.

And it most certainly was. But his is not better.

You are saying this SOLELY on "guild" or "union" lines, right? You SOLE justification for this is to preserve professional lines, right? For example, if Scott were a WGA member, you wouldn't care, right?

Yup. There are NO good guys here. Just varying levels of dirtbaggery.

Again, I just want to confirm that this is because of the alleged WGA violation, right?

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See, here's the thing.

FIRST, Ed Scott has been established as an interventionist. He departure from Y&R EP all that time ago was due to battles with Kay Alden that he lost. So, I think it is reasonable to suspect that he did some of the same things with Alden that he is doing with Higley. MOREOVER, apparently Sony VALUED that interventionist streak so he could clean house at DOOL. In the press, the more public conflicts with Alden were over characters (Jill's boytoy Sean, and Dianne Jenkins), but it must have been much worse...given that press at the time said there was a "who is in control" battle going on.

SECOND, Ed is a directing-interventionist too, since he is widely known to give actors' notes that would typically be within the director's purview.

THIRD, it was clearly to reign in this interventionist streak that, when Scott return to Y&R, it was as a "supervising producer", and to have him report to Jack Smith--who was clearly both EP and HW. Translation: I'm sure Ed CONTINUED to have writing suggestions, but he could now funnel them through Smith in a legal way.

FOURTH, by all accounts, Ed Scott in that slightly diminished role with Jack Smith as a go-between between writing and production worked pretty well. It didn't fall apart until LML came in (and, one imagines, disregarded and defanged Ed Scott).

Okay, now, why would Ed Scott disregard union rules and intervene in writing? Let's assume he has respect for the guild. But if the show begins to devolve more and more and more and more into sh*t...and the person who SHOULD be a go-between (Ken Corday) is not functioning well in that role, and he has been charged by Sony to fix things, and NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIM...you can finally imagine him grabbing control of the wheel for the good of the show!

Now, IF A UNION WERE NOT INVOLVED, would everyone be so incensed? If not, is this a place where union protectionism comes at the cost of the show?

I am a pro-union liberal...but there are times when I believe union rules can be strangleholds. What if this is one of them?

And finally--actors re-writing...let's be HONEST. This happens DAILY. Public offenders include Tony Geary, Eric Braeden, Nancy Lee Grahn, and Elizabeth Hubbard...and many others, I am sure. So, since it happens all the time (and gets accepted as "actor's reinterpretation under the pressure of rapid memorization" and "actors as custodians of their characters, trying to make things sound more consistent with their characters"...why is it okay in these instances, but not here at DOOL?

Please don't flame me? . I'm really just asking respectful, nosy questions.

Nelson said he had a Y&R connection to all of this, and it's been pretty much known that Maria and Josh DO NOT GET ALONG and Bloom's wanted Griffith gone for months.

That's a change of tune. I seem to recall you saying quite the opposite only a few days ago.

But good - Josh is gone.

Oh, OK, thanks.

But when Tony Geary, Maurice Benard, Steve Burton et al., do improv or order scenes to be rewritten over at GH... that's totally fine and within the legal parameters, correct?

Those actors don't write entire storylines (though they have immense say in the direction they go). Ed had tons of actors and non-union people rewriting about all of Dena's work, which is totally illegal.

Oh, OK, thanks.

But when Tony Geary, Maurice Benard, Steve Burton et al., do improv or order scenes to be rewritten over at GH... that's totally fine and within the legal parameters, correct?

If it can be proven that ES allowed actors and actresses to throw out complete stories.......the Guild may actually be able to sue Days, NBC and maybe even Sony for allowing this to happen.

This is the biggest clusterfuck I can think of happening in daytime.

That's a change of tune. I seem to recall you saying quite the opposite only a few days ago.

Huh? I've always wanted Griffith gone, what are you saying?

OK soap actors, we need to have a talk. STOP DICTATING STORY. [!@#$%^&*], now I know why Irna Phillips practically considered actors to be cattle. IMO, she would be APPALLED by the star status that soap actors have these days because, in her mind, the star was the show itself, the ensemble. As much as I hate to defend some rather heinous writers, writing a soap by commitee is even worse than having one writer screwing things up. At least in the latter situation, we know who to blame.

This is how it's done in UK and Australia - there are no veterans and any such divisions. Those writers can kill anybody off. Look at EastEnders and Pauline Fowler.

As to who the three actors are that are being told to rewrite their story, I believe it to be out of Mary Beth Evans, Stephen Nichols, Nadia Bjorlin and maybe Lauren Koslow.

All four actors have had a quick sudden change in their story that seems to have come out of nowhere.

It's been stated that Evans and Nichols have gone to the producers and writers with complaints over how the Ava storyline was handled. And I don't blame the actors one bit for their displease in the story. That's Higley's fault for not writing the story and fallout the way it should have been written.

Also, Bjorlin's involvement in the Lucas/Sami/EJ/Nicole story has also come completely of nowhere. Maybe Bjorlin was sick of just being Philip's f*ck and went to Scott with demands that she be placed in a better story, and Scott gave her the choice to pick which other story to be involved in. She chose the quad. Why, I don't know.

Also, there were no indications that Kate would be involved in Daniel and Chelsea's story. All signs pointed to Lexie being the woman Daniel was secretly in love with. Then, all of a sudden, it's Kate. That came completely out of left field if you ask me. And it's also known that Koslow and Ed Scott are pretty tight. Plues you have to remember that Higley is all for Kate and Roman, so for her to write Kate going after Daniel seems off to me and something she wouldn't do.

I can totally see SN/MBE and NB being possibilities in this. Not so sure about Lauren Koslow. I know that the Kate/Daniel thing was a sudden shift, but that may have been due more to Lexie & Abe being given the autism storyline instead of Lexie having her usual affair.

This is how it's done in UK and Australia - there are no veterans and any such divisions. Those writers can kill anybody off. Look at EastEnders and Pauline Fowler.

and thats how it should be.

the fact that people of power like EP's not only allow but ENCOURAGE this to happen is beyond me.

Huh? I've always wanted Griffith gone, what are you saying?

The part about Maria not getting along with Josh. That's a new one to me. I never heard you say that before.

and thats how it should be.

the fact that people of power like EP's not only allow but ENCOURAGE this to happen is beyond me.

I say - first to go is Nikki (Y&R).

Ok, come on, NB? Really? You think she has enough clout at DOOL? She's not a vet. (plus she loves working with JKJ; it was one of the reasons she came back this time) I have an idea of who ES let rewrite their lines but I'm not going to say b/c it's probably a Vet and someone who is part of a very popular couple.

Were you going to say Kristian Alfonso? Because that's my guess.

First, let's get confirmation.

I'm going to pursue this idea...because there ARE times when desperate times call for desperate measures.

You are saying this SOLELY on "guild" or "union" lines, right? You SOLE justification for this is to preserve professional lines, right? For example, if Scott were a WGA member, you wouldn't care, right?

Again, I just want to confirm that this is because of the alleged WGA violation, right?

===

See, here's the thing.

FIRST, Ed Scott has been established as an interventionist. He departure from Y&R EP all that time ago was due to battles with Kay Alden that he lost. So, I think it is reasonable to suspect that he did some of the same things with Alden that he is doing with Higley. MOREOVER, apparently Sony VALUED that interventionist streak so he could clean house at DOOL. In the press, the more public conflicts with Alden were over characters (Jill's boytoy Sean, and Dianne Jenkins), but it must have been much worse...given that press at the time said there was a "who is in control" battle going on.

SECOND, Ed is a directing-interventionist too, since he is widely known to give actors' notes that would typically be within the director's purview.

THIRD, it was clearly to reign in this interventionist streak that, when Scott return to Y&R, it was as a "supervising producer", and to have him report to Jack Smith--who was clearly both EP and HW. Translation: I'm sure Ed CONTINUED to have writing suggestions, but he could now funnel them through Smith in a legal way.

FOURTH, by all accounts, Ed Scott in that slightly diminished role with Jack Smith as a go-between between writing and production worked pretty well. It didn't fall apart until LML came in (and, one imagines, disregarded and defanged Ed Scott).

Okay, now, why would Ed Scott disregard union rules and intervene in writing? Let's assume he has respect for the guild. But if the show begins to devolve more and more and more and more into sh*t...and the person who SHOULD be a go-between (Ken Corday) is not functioning well in that role, and he has been charged by Sony to fix things, and NOBODY IS LISTENING TO HIM...you can finally imagine him grabbing control of the wheel for the good of the show!

Now, IF A UNION WERE NOT INVOLVED, would everyone be so incensed? If not, is this a place where union protectionism comes at the cost of the show?

I am a pro-union liberal...but there are times when I believe union rules can be strangleholds. What if this is one of them?

And finally--actors re-writing...let's be HONEST. This happens DAILY. Public offenders include Tony Geary, Eric Braeden, Nancy Lee Grahn, and Elizabeth Hubbard...and many others, I am sure. So, since it happens all the time (and gets accepted as "actor's reinterpretation under the pressure of rapid memorization" and "actors as custodians of their characters, trying to make things sound more consistent with their characters"...why is it okay in these instances, but not here at DOOL?

Please don't flame me? . I'm really just asking respectful, nosy questions.

Thank you for putting into words (better than I) my questions/uncertainty about this whole situation.

The part I bolded was what I was trying to get at (but couldn't).

The part about Maria not getting along with Josh. That's a new one to me. I never heard you say that before.

Isn't it apparent if he's been rewriting all her stuff these past few months?

I say - first to go is Nikki (Y&R).

I wonder if Melody knew what her husband was doing...

Were you going to say Kristian Alfonso? Because that's my guess.

Mine was Deidre Hall.

I say - first to go is Nikki (Y&R).

Oh, please no! I like Melody Thomas Scott.