Grrrrrrr!

I will say this. As remarkable as Bree's standalone performances have been (and they have) I don't think she's had chemistry with anyone evah! (Take that!). Seriously, I've never felt Jessica's connection with anyone, including Natalie, Antonio, Nash, Viki. She is devoid of chemistry.

I agree, to an extent. I dont think she is a chem magnet... but really no one on OLTL is. They are (almost) all great actors, but the chem doesnt flow between everyone.

I think Bree has great chem with ES. I think Bree & FM had amazing chem.

Anotnio and Nat? None. But Antonio has ZERO chem with anyone ever. And Nat... she idnt exactly exploding with chem either.

However Bree has the most chem with TSJ.

I'm sorry if you think I'm being mean; I think people can usually tell around here when I'm being mean and when I'm not. I'm not trying to be, anyway. I'm just saying, what is Natalie, as a character the writers are trying to write as sympathetic, supposed to do? Not feel for Jessica? Not agonize over this? If she were to just stop it wouldn't make sense to me, or, I think, to a lot of other people. It's not like we haven't had good Jared and Nat stuff since Nash died, either. We've had romantic scenes, fluff, etc. But all of it has to be interspersed with the pain of the Jessica situation right now. If you ask me, that's just the way it is. I'm sorry if you disagree, but I just don't see how anything else would be even remotely realistic. I don't like the way Jessica has sometimes treated Nat either, and I like Natalie better, but none of that has any bearing on this situation AFAIC and it's all water under the bridge to Nat. It may not be to you or I, and I respect that, but I'm thinking of how Nat would react.

Not at all! Please don't think that. I don't think that at all. I am totally joking.

BTW! Embarrassed to ask but what does AFAIC mean?

As Far As I'm Concerned.

As Far As I'm Concerned.

TY!

I agree, to an extent. I dont think she is a chem magnet... but really no one on OLTL is. They are (almost) all great actors, but the chem doesnt flow between everyone.

I think Bree has great chem with ES. I think Bree & FM had amazing chem.

Anotnio and Nat? None. But Antonio has ZERO chem with anyone ever. And Nat... she idnt exactly exploding with chem either.

However Bree has the most chem with TSJ.

Me too, I wish they could have had a scene about Nash's death.

Me too, I wish they could have had a scene about Nash's death.

me too.

todd & jessica are great in scenes with eachother. i lvoed it when she went to him about that time she was having sex with antonio but thinking about nash.

I agree with what you're saying but only if they want to make her more appealing to those who like Jessica and hate Natalie. They're writing Natalie to appeal to people who don't like her though, and I think that's a mistake. They didn't have to make her obsequious, for lack of a better word. I get that she's relieved that "Jessica" appears to be coming around. I just don't enjoy watching this Natalie. She's not displaying the characteristics I love about her. I wish she was more fatalistic about things. Understanding that she's done things that Jessica may never forgive and that it's going to take time and distance to see how everything falls out. So in the meantime, take control of the stuff you can control. Start developing a strategy to get BE back. I am sorry, but seeing her sitting on a bed looking at a picture of her and Jessica, and pining isn't something THIS FAN of Natalie wants to watch. I wanna see her kick ass and take names.

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I just don't like these two self pitying defeated people I am seeing. I get that they have to show remorse. But I've had enough. I want RC to write them for me, somebody who likes them and not write them for the people who think they have to pay for what they've done. I get that they had to pay, for awhile, but they have. Now I want my beloved characters back. Write them for me, the way I love them. Not for people who aren't going to forgive them anyway.

IMHO, they're not writing just "pro-Jessica" or "anti-Natalie" at all. They're writing both sides of the issue and you can choose who you side with, or you can have divided sympathies, like I do. That's what makes it good soap and not slanted writing. But in order to do writing like that, both sides have to be flawed: So was Jessica and Nash's, and so is Natalie and Jared's. It may not be fun fun fun, but it's good AFAIC.

Oh, come now. I want them to be fun again too, and I'm sure they will, but do you honestly believe it would be good writing or in character for Natalie to say "[!@#$%^&*] Jessica, let's go off and have fun corporate adventures again?" Jessica will forgive Natalie, and Natalie will be dying for it. That's just who they are.

I think this perfectly embodies what makes soap writing very difficult. How do you write for the fans of the characters without "turning off" the non-fans of the characters? I am not sure it can be done, but it definitely CAN'T be done with slanted writing. It's a fine line some soaps walk, and a line some soaps don't walk at all (GH). I think the best way to make ALL the audience feel included and valued is to tell a story like this one where EVERY party bears some responsibility for a tragic event, and that all those responsibilities are touched on over time.

Is it Dorian for exposing all the fraud at the BE Shareholders meeting? Is it Jared who scammed the Buchanans into thinking he was one? Is it Natalie who slept with Jared and supported his fraud against her own family? Is it Charlie, who also supported Jared's fraud against the Buchanans and lied to Viki? Is it Clint, who dumped Dorian and made her so bitter as to launch her vendetta in this way? Is it Nora who came between Clint and Dorian? Is it Nash who threw the first punch in the fight that led to his death? Is it Tess for sending Jared to prison, which led him to come to Llanview in the first place? Was it Niki Smith who took young Jessica to bars that led to Tess's creation? It goes back to Victor Lord, or the generation before him that screwed him up. If Asa had never had a child (David Vickers) in the first place, Jared wouldn't have been able to pretend to be that child. It could potentially be pinned on ANY of the people connected to this mess, and that is a successful umbrella story layered with months/years/decades of history.

I personally am bored with watching Natalie and Jared moan about how they feel so guilty, BUT I think it's necessary in order to tell a balanced story. If they were only remorseful around Jessica, and other scenes they were entirely consumed with getting B.E. back from Dorian, they would look two-faced and completely phony when it came to their guilt over Nash and Jessica. They NEED to be all about Jessica right now. It lets the viewers who hate Natalie and/or Jared see that they didn't really set out to do this and they DO have human feelings, leading those viewers to POSSIBLY like Natalie/Jared in the future, and it gives the fans of Natalie/Jared more room to defend their beloved characters' actions because they ARE showing remorse for the unintended fallout.

Edited July 2, 200817 yr by DavidEvanSmith

Apparently you've never been a teenager in love.

Seriously though, her boyfriend works at the diner, so she probably just put the number in her phone in case he had to call her from work. It probably says "Markko at work" or something like that in her phone.

yup.

i actually have that a lot in my phone. my mother for example, i have her work number saved under 'MOM' with a buisness logo next to it, just like her cell number has a cell pictures and her home number has a house picture.

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I personally am bored with watching Natalie and Jared moan about how they feel so guilty, BUT I think it's necessary in order to tell a balanced story. If they were only remorseful around Jessica, and other scenes they were entirely consumed with getting B.E. back from Dorian, they would look two-faced and completely phony when it came to their guilt over Nash and Jessica. They NEED to be all about Jessica right now. It lets the viewers who hate Natalie and/or Jared see that they didn't really set out to do this and they DO have human feelings, leading those viewers to POSSIBLY like Natalie/Jared in the future, and it gives the fans of Natalie/Jared more room to defend their beloved characters' actions because they ARE showing remorse for the unintended fallout.

LOL. I think we're in complete agreement. I just think they're going a bit overboard with the remorse. Again, short of shaving their heads and donning hair shirts, they will never be remorseful enough for those who dislike them to feel they're worthy of forgiveness or redemption, and in the meantime they're boring those of us who do like them.

LOL. I think we're in complete agreement. I just think they're going a bit overboard with the remorse. Again, short of shaving their heads and donning hair shirts, they will never be remorseful enough for those who dislike them to feel they're worthy of forgiveness or redemption, and in the meantime they're boring those of us who do like them.

yup.

I'm still waiting to hear those words from Viki to Tina:

"Oh Tina, How Could You!"

Nash is scaring me in his Sonny Crockett (Don Johnson) wardrobe.

Edited July 2, 200817 yr by reallyhateskateonlost

Brody is shirtless...again.

Loved Viki's reaction to Nora telling her that Bo and Lindsey are getting married!

LMAO at Roxy...Madame Delphina is a psychotic

MD: Psychic

Roxy: Whatever

LMAO at Roxy...Madame Delphina is a psychotic

MD: Psychic

Roxy: Whatever

I'm still LMAO at that one