50 minutes ago, You're Soaking in it said:

 

I watched at the time, and I recall it being pretty quick... days or weeks in between. It was when the Clay-is-Alex charade really began to unravel.

 

Thanks. I always enjoy hearing more from those who were watching at the time. I feel like Loving is a show you can only appreciate if you were there in the long haul (even though generally I enjoy watching the show). 

On 10/19/2019 at 7:58 PM, victoria foxton said:

Loving (May 5, 1994)

Wow, great sets, great cast, amazing production team; but ABC kept meddling. I never understood why Doug Marland didn't continue to get credit for co creating the show with Aggie. There's a story there.....  Who's the hunk who played the role of Trucker?

 

ROBERT TYLER

 

AS THE WORLD TURNS      Spence Davies            1988

LOVING           Trucker McKenzie                   1988-95

 

Loving (July 5, 1988)

Wow! What a treat! And I think this is during the writers' strike too, a period that always fascinates me when I see more of it. Thanks for letting us know.

That was a cute episode of Loving. 

 

Can I ask what happened to Rick? Was he just written off? 

3 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

That was a cute episode of Loving. 

 

Can I ask what happened to Rick? Was he just written off? 

 

He became a villain and was killed a year or so after this. I think it was a murder mystery plot.

16 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

He became a villain and was killed a year or so after this. I think it was a murder mystery plot.

 

Why am I not surprised. 😑

 

From what little I've seen, why not have Stacey torn between the 2. That triangle seems like it could've lasted for years. 

1 hour ago, NothinButAttitude said:

 

Why am I not surprised. 😑

 

From what little I've seen, why not have Stacey torn between the 2. That triangle seems like it could've lasted for years. 

 

The decision is another example of the damage done from so much producer changeover, since within a year after that Perry Stephens was fired and Jack was recast, which destabilized Stacey. And then they turned Curtis crazy when they'd already had an unstable son for Gwyneth and Clay. Lots of long-term mistakes. 

 

I'm glad to see a little more of Roya's last weeks in the role...and always glad to see more of Egypt. I can see why Linda Cook loved the role so much. 

 

The Jim and Jack scenes are the type of simple and believable conversations between male friends that would get lost as the years passed in daytime. I still kind of wish they'd kept Jim around (it helps that the actor is easy on the eye), but I guess he was seen as holding Shana back. 

 

@slick jones I think there may be some names in the cast list you could use.

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

 

The decision is another example of the damage done from so much producer changeover, since within a year after that Perry Stephens was fired and Jack was recast, which destabilized Stacey. And then they turned Curtis crazy when they'd already had an unstable son for Gwyneth and Clay. Lots of long-term mistakes. 

 

I'm glad to see a little more of Roya's last weeks in the role...and always glad to see more of Egypt. I can see why Linda Cook loved the role so much. 

 

The Jim and Jack scenes are the type of simple and believable conversations between male friends that would get lost as the years passed in daytime. I still kind of wish they'd kept Jim around (it helps that the actor is easy on the eye), but I guess he was seen as holding Shana back. 

 

@slick jones I think there may be some names in the cast list you could use.

Thanks, @DRW50, I'm adding them to the LOVING cast and some Hoppers.

 

Is this Alexander Kniffen, the actor that portrayed Carly and Paul's son Michael?

Watched the July 5th episode and I must say this show could've had the potential to rehab itself. Someone was needed to stir this show around with a cohesive vision. This show suffered too many changeovers in its run.  I wonder how someone like Pamela Long would've done long-term in the 90's?

 

I miss characters in soaps like Ava who aspired to have more than their humble upbringing and will do anything to get it.  I loved her scene with Kate.

 

I would like to see more of Stacey/Jack/Rick story play out.  Hopefully, someone will uncover more episodes of that era soon. 

 

BTW Lauren-Marie Taylor is on Instagram.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 1/14/2020 at 9:44 AM, DRW50 said:

 

I wonder how much input Agnes had on the early, factory girl version of the character.

 

Early Ava was more like Nola Reardon. She seemed more like a Marland creation. 

33 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

 

I would like to see more of Stacey/Jack/Rick story play out.  Hopefully, someone will uncover more episodes of that era soon. 

 

 

Rick was more or less like early Curtis at first. Curtis/Stacey/Jack/Ava was the story that should have been told. There was no real need for a Rick, but new writers and producers every other week will only harm a show.

14 minutes ago, Elsa said:

 

Early Ava was more like Nola Reardon. She seemed more like a Marland creation. 

 

Rick was more or less like early Curtis at first. Curtis/Stacey/Jack/Ava was the story that should have been told. There was no real need for a Rick, but new writers and producers every other week will only harm a show.

 

Thanks for your insights, as always. Do you think they made a mistake moving Ava to Clay/Alex? 

47 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

Watched the July 5th episode and I must say this show could've had the potential to rehab itself. Someone was needed to stir this show around with a cohesive vision. This show suffered too many changeovers in its run.  I wonder how someone like Pamela Long would've done long-term in the 90's?

 

I miss characters in soaps like Ava who aspired to have more than their humble upbringing and will do anything to get it.  I loved her scene with Kate.

 

I would like to see more of Stacey/Jack/Rick story play out.  Hopefully, someone will uncover more episodes of that era soon. 

 

BTW Lauren-Marie Taylor is on Instagram.

 

 

I wonder if she knows about these episodes. 

 

I would have liked seeing Pam Long try the show. She wrote friendships well, which was a big part of Loving.

1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

 

Do you think they made a mistake moving Ava to Clay/Alex? 

 

 

The Clay/Ava idea sounds good, but I never cared for RM or JH in the role (for different reasons). Once the charismatic Roya was gone and the Alex Masters saga started I was done with them.  All of the sudden the aristocratic Clay was involved in a mess straight out of Days and GH. The Aldens were not the family for this kind of story. Could you imagine John or Jack Abbott in a Rambo saga? 

 

Lisa Peluso' s Ava was an airhead. Roya's character hid her pain behind her greed.