Loving/The City Discussion Thread

[Vee]

Amelia Heinle, of all people, has one of the great one-liners of all time in Loving Murders #49.

 

Tony: So how's the breathing coming?

Steffi (dryly): Well, I'm breathing, which makes me kind of unique in this town.

[Vee]

Richard Cox is incredibly hot as Giff Bowman; I know him best as one of the killer's terrifying avatars in the infamous Cruising, so seeing him on a soap and having to place the face and voice was something else. Was he brought in by Munisteri? He should've hung around vs. Jeremy, though Jean LeClerc was always charming.

[victoria foxton]

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August 1991

Edited June 13, 2020 by victoria foxton

[dc11786]

Awesome. Now we can update the writer's list:

 

Millee Taggart and Tom King (September 1988 - April 1991)

Millee Taggart (April 1991 - August 1991)

Mary Ryan Munisteri (August 1991 - January 1992)

Addie Walsh (January 1992 - January 1993) [credited until 1/93; may have departed by 7/92]

Millee Taggart and Robert Guza (January 1993 - September 1993)

Agnes Nixon (September 1993 - at least September 1994)

Addie Walsh and Laurie McCarthy (fall 1994 - spring 1995)

James Harmon Brown and Barbara Essensten (spring 1995 - November 1995)

 

Interesting. Dinahlee and Flynn are both created by Millee Taggart. Flynn definitely seems to be headed towards Ava, which continues until October when Mary Ryan Munisteri goes Flynn / Carly. That Dinahlee / Gwyn scene is fun. Jessica Collins may have been green, but she is very charismatic. I don't know how the Dinahlee / Jack storyline was initially intended. I know I read that Lauren Marie Taylor went into labor while filming, finished her scenes, and then had her child the next day during an episode of "Loving." 

 

The original Rev. Ford. By the fall, its Uncle Frank from the "Home Alone" movies in the role. 

 

I have no clue what that hostage / cave story is about with Rocky / Rio / Trucker / Trisha. 

 

Interesting that there are several characters referenced who are on the verge of disappearing. Carly has just married Clay and he's about to depart. Rocky and Rio disappear around this time. I didn't even realize they were still around at this point. Fran Sears definitely has a strong idea of what she wants to happen. 

 

@Vee Mary Ryan Munisteri did create Giff Bowman. I'm assuming you've seen the episode from October 1, 1991. I believe it is his first episode. Jeremy does replace Giff. It's a bit of a sore point for me because I think Giff, at least as he was initially written, was a much more interesting character. Jeremy tends to have too much soapy baggage in my opinion (the mercenary who was also an artist, the psychic visions). 

 

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@slick jones Pretty sure that is James Carroll (future Leo Burnell) as the drunk bar patron at Checkers. His voice is pretty recognizable.  

 

@j swift You may have seen this. If you haven't, it doesn't necessarily answer your questions. I tried to watch some of it, but this really isn't my kind of story. I like a good imposter story, but the actual execution is a bit much. I think @EricMontreal22 has complained about Ralph Ellis' spy adventures / business storylines. The spy stories seems very boring. 

 

 

[RavenWhitney]

Loving was nominated for Writers Guild Award in 1994 for air shows from calendar year 1993

Loving — Millee Taggart, Robert O. Guza, Jr., Laurie McCarthy, Addie Walsh, Craig G. Carlson, John Kuntz, Eugenie Hunt, Dana Herko, Lewis Arlt, Tony Lang, Lynda Myles, Juliette Mann, Andrew Gottlieb, Nancy Maxwell

[Vee]

LM: The cave in with Ally’s kid and Danny is a full on Event that def feels like Linda Gottlieb who was apparently involved in '95. It is redolent of her Al/CJ down a well anniversary episode on OLTL in 1993, it has most of the cast on the scene just like OLTL, and there is a whole show-y film element with Frankie’s microphone picking up Danny's voice blasted to the entire town. An excellent setpiece which leads into the pretty racy Jacob/Angie lovemaking, and Jeremy's epiphany. 

[Vee]

LM 67-68: 

 

The reactions to Jeremy’s death are gutting, particularly Ava and Angie, who knew him best. Randolph Mantooth is heartbreaking as he struggles to bridge the gap with Ava - you can see why this might be her final straw. They’re such a good couple, I wish we could see them together again once more.

 

Jeremy was always a lovely presence for me even when forced, so dashing and gentle. The deep callbacks to his AMC history with Angie don’t end there - Gwyneth says at the end of the episode that she got a call from Erica Kane about it!

 

The convo between Jocelyn and Ally about her rape accusation is very good and very educational even for today, but unfortunately it illustrates the mistake of doing this unseemly subplot at all.

 

The Charles/Lorraine stuff, with him so vulnerable and broken and her strong instead, is lovely. Her passion makes Geoffrey Ewing soulful. I liked her humming their song as he slept.

 

Jesse as the spectral hitchhiker counseling Jacob sounds like an Agnes thing to me, but who knows. (She had to be behind Williams’ return.) I wish we could see it. Did Jacob arrive in February or March? Charles says Angie made him wait three months for her to marry him, and by July they were newlyweds.

 

I still don’t know how to read some of the killer’s reactions in recent episodes prior to Jeremy. And I’m still surprised they left Trisha like this unless they intended to lure her to TC.

[DRW50]

 

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[DRW50]

Watched those 1991 clips (pleasantly surprised to get more of 1991) and the show is pretty solid in this period, although I can why there were changes on the way. A lot of the stories feel disconnected from each other, and the Paul/Ava/Carly stuff is so constantly hyperemotional it's very draining to watch - must have been tough on the actors. 

 

Ally's makeup is so severe in some of these...glad they toned it down later on. Still not sure why they couldn't have kept Matt around as part of their teen scene, especially as it would have given Kate something of a grandson figure and given her another character to have story with, along with giving the boarding house more presence (I liked her comment that the boarding house used to be known as the "Rescott Hilton"). I suppose he wasn't as Hollywood glam as the teens coming in (unless the actor wanted to go). 

 

Christine Tudor is made to look very severe in this episode (I guess it's not long since her return), but I did like one of her lines to Dinah Lee - "I'm getting older by the minute." Seeing early Dinah Lee scheming makes you wonder what might have been.

 

The first episode in the August 1991 twofer is chock-a-block with nothing but gorgeous guys (and Christopher Cass...who is alright). With the handcuffs on Rio, the unnecessary but repeated ass shots of the con in the cop uniform, and the unnecessary but repeated shots of ripped Robert Tyler's bare chest (now there's something we need to see in HD), all you have to do is wave the ladies away and you are ready for gay porn. Tyler was one of the most absolutely perfect men ever on daytime - even if he was pretty wooden early on, I'm still not sure how a bigger soap didn't snap him up after ATWT wrote him out. 

 

Most of the time when I see Rocky she's being petulant or dull, or both, so it's nice to see a few fun moments like that camping scene before she left. 

[cassadine1991]

Sucks that we don’t know the exact date these regime changes happened

[amybrickwallace]

Does anyone know if the recent reunion is still up on YouTube? I wanted to see it but I can't find it anywhere. :-(

[slick jones]

@amybrickwallace check facebook, I brought it back up on my Soap Opera Cast List page. Chris posted it there.

[Forever8]

@amybrickwallace

 

The Reunion!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h3MnzLAm4s

Edited June 16, 2020 by Forever8

[amybrickwallace]

Thank you both kindly!!

[slick jones]

Two more reunions are in the works, per Christopher Marcantel:

 

Christopher Marcantel Nichole Horton Hi Nichole...we are scheduling 2 more. The first will be The original kids...Lauren-Marie Taylor, Susan Walters Ashby, Jennifer Ashe and Me. The next will be...wait for it...Randy Mantooth and friends