AMC: Promo!

[detroitpiston]

I think Amanda is good too. She actually makes me like Babe(somewhat).

[Faulkner]

Zach and Greenlee are where it's at. I've never really seen Zach as part of Pine Valley, but I see interesting potential with Greenlee. If there's any good to come out of this Aidan/Kendall/Zach/Ryan/Annie mess, it would be Zachlee.

[Skin]

Baker is really bad. She has no personality and she doesn't even have a good acting style. She is so bland that she is just a canvas we never really see her holding a scene or putting in any effort. I know Sabine got alot of flack but atleast the girl TRIED. Baker just floats and forces all of the responsbility of the scene onto the other person while she reads her lines. Seriously what has she done to expand the character or make her all that different. What style or spin has she put on the character? If anything I think she has TAKEN away alot of the essence that made Babe who she was. Baker is just awful...

But back to Zendull. I have never felt Zach was apart of PV. He is just this character they forgot to write off as far as I am concerned. The romance between him and Kendell isn't in anyway believeable and neither is this family unite they gave them.

[dragonflies]

LMAO no offense, but you as a Babe fan can actually say this with a straight face? Babe should have been written off after what she did to Bianca.

How is it not believable? It's one of the most believe romances on the show, otherwise it would be hugely popular.

Do you really hate Zach that much? I honestly don't get it. It's completely out of character for him to even have forgiven her, let alone be friends with her. It took him years to even want to forgive JR, and what he did wasn't even half as bad as what she did.

And why the hell would Zach want to hook up with ANOTHER of Ryan's exes.

What are you two? LMFAO

Flash in the pan LMFAO again. Most flash in the pans I've seen don't last as long as this has

I love haters, you guys crack me up

[AMCHistory]

I personally loved Babe, especially with Alexa in the role. She was such a suprisingly good actress for being new to the genre. AMC at that time just had a string of probably the worst new cast members to ever join the show (Alexandra Daddario, Max Alexander, Ivan Shaw, Tomy Dunster, all blech.)

Alexa was such a breath of fresh air and got a lot of fans fast. There used to be a whole forum dedicated to the coupling of Babe and Binks.

Amanda just hasn't prooven herself in the role. I think I am not so turned off to the recast because she hasn't done much. It was not like Sabine who was thrown into the middle of a front burner storyline. Amanda is just there.

[Skin]

Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's viable or quality story telling. I believe before we went into Iraq and Bush started to take action against the middle east his approval rating was one of if not the highest approval rating a president ever had does that mean Bush is the greatest president of all time? I sure the hell hope not. Moreover Zendull have absolutely NOTHING on other super couples much less the icnonic Days couples, GH's super couples, they don't even rate on the scale of Tad and Dixie, Frankie and Angie or even Greenlee and Leo. They aren't a real super couple at all. I frankly find it hiliarious how anyone can call any couple on a soap that can barely average a 2.0 or so household rating a "super couple". Zendell are a joke and they are not by any means a super couple.

Zach is forgettable. He has no ties to the community that couldn't be easily nixed via paper work and he hasn't influenced anything to make him a primary character. Seriously what has the character of Zach brought to the show? I am drawing a blank the only notable storylines he has is Zendell and the Satin Slayer Storyline and arguably the Cambius story. He is not important to the show at all. He is just Mr. Kendell Hart and that's pretty much it.

I love Babe but I do feel that her time on PV has expired. Alexa should have exited the role in Febuary of 2007. That was when her character reached her peak storywise. While it would have been a sad ending for her to be killed by the Satin Slayer I do think that at that point she should have died because that was the last time she truely impacted story and since she has all but twitled her thumbs and she is in a third love triangle which isn't needed. Babe has brought storylines to the table and she was in a very important umbrella storyline. She is a notable character who has ties to the Martins, Chandlers and Kanes. She has made friends and has become a part of the Pine Valley community. By comparison outside of Kendell who is Zach's friend? the unseen Myrtle? Who has Zach influence outside of Kendell? No one likes him. He has no supportive community. He isn't close to anyone. As it stands Babe has more ties to the community then Zach does. All of Zach's ties could easily be undone by seperating him from Kendell. Once the writers decide to break them up Zach has no other story or ties to the show.

Zendull isn't believable. Kendell would have never fallen for him. Kendell would have never married him and Kendell would have never deliberately tried to break Ethan's heart like that. Kendell would never have slept with uncle, nephew/son and father/brother. Kendell would have never stooped that low.

[Laurie]

^I respectfully disagree and I will leave it at that.

Moving on, I can't wait for these scenes. I'm really happy it seems to be about Zach and Kendall and just them. Actually watching these scenes live

[Ryan]

Zendall is love . They will overcome this bump in the road and be stronger than ever. Zach is the only man who has loved Kendall for who she truly is. He loves her flaws and all, and that is what made me like them.

[Steve]

All I can say is yep! LMAO that anyone would disagree with this fact.

[dragonflies]

I think it's hilarious how many people are SOOOOO jealous of Zendall's popularity. It's the ones who are popular that people feel they need to tear down.

Opinions aren't facts

Really why? That's far from stooping "low", it's a soap norm. It's also a Kane woman thing too

If you'd back what you say up with reasons, I might be able to take your post seriously

No ties to the community, I'm sorry but what version of AMC do you watch??? Must be an AU version.

No ties? I guess a son, wife, stepson, best friend(Myrtle), mother in law, sister in law, and even another sister in law and biological niece don't count?

What has Babe brought to the show? She's the reason now why so many characters have to be propped. The Careywhores pretty much started the ruination of AMC.

What has he brought to the show? Some heart, love. He's a grey character, that isn't all good or all bad. AMC doesn't have characters like that anymore

Mr. Kendall Hart? PUHLEEZE

:lol: You're serious I take it? Brought storylines to the table, what a baby switch that ruined her character? Notable ties, only because they MADE Bianca & Kendall be friends with her(which by the way is something Kendall would have NEVER done)

Actually they do. Greenlee and Leo are far from a Super Couple, they're not even listed as one on Wikipedia, they are an "almost Super Couple" Tad and Dixie, blah.

Right cause we know that bad writing has NOTHING to do with why the show can't hit higher than 2.0

Opinion or NOT, it actually is a FACT that they are a Super Couple, go look up what a Super Couple actually IS, and yes by the definitions that are out there, they are.

Zach's friend? Myrtle, Lily, Kendall, Annie, Ryan(in alot of aspects).

He's close to plenty of people, Kendall, Lily, Erica, Myrtle, Annie, etc. He has plenty of supportive community

Babe has more ties? Hardly, it's about the same.

Plenty of people like Zach, and a character's popularity isn't measured by how many friends, or ties they have to a community

So again I ask, what version of AMC do you watch? Cause honestly it's NOT the version that airs on ABC. Reminds me of people at SOC who pretty much make up things, then say they watch AMC, yet what they say doesn't even match what we see onscreen.......

[jadestar]

You have got to be kidding. I wouldn't waste time being jealous about any popularity of a fictional couple who mean nothing in the real world and I doubt many people would. Why can't people speak about what they think of a couple or character or tear down a fictional couple if they don't like them? Both Zach and Kendall were ruined for me when they were put together, and I used to like them individually but don't like them since they've been together.

I do believe that there are a lot of people who don't like Zendall but we rarely say anything because we're accused of not knowing what we're talking about or of not watching the show which I have definitely been accused of in the past when I said something anti-Zendall.

[Adam]

Can we please keep this thread on topic and not turn it into a Zendall vs. Zendull war.....

It will be intense and I am just glad the secret is finally out so we can move on. I am sort of pleased they will be keeping it to themselves and not letting Greenlee in on the secret, yet. A dream scenario would be for Kendall to reveal it to Greenlee on purpose.

Zach's reaction to all this from what I can see will totally be in character and I am glad. I was so fearful they'd have him and Greenlee jump into bed, and it seems that was the original plan but something has obviously changed..... whether its behind the scenes or not.

[Skin]

I am not afraid of their popularity at all. The fact reamins that they aren't as popular as believed to be because if they were they would be able to boost ratings for this ailing soap and as it turns out they have not been boosting ratings at all. Just because they win polls on Soap magazines doesn't mean that they are hugely popular enough to coin the term "super couple". The terms is long since dead and they are not one. Especialy with the way soaps ratings are now. I don't even see how any couple could be a "super couple" with the rating climate the way it is now.

That actually is not a norm. I don't remember Erica sleeping with brothers, nephews, fathers and sons all at the same time within the same family. I think Erica's limit was just to sleep with brothers. Not their sons and nephews. So no that was far more incesterious. I don't even think marrying Zach was in her character at that time. It was very out of character for her to do that. Especially since she supposedly loved Ethan so much. She simply wouldn't have done that as it was hurtful, spiteful and heartless for her to do that. So the entire basis of that relationship is unbelievable to me. More over it makes no sense that Kendell would fall in love with him.

Like I said before all of his ties to the community are forged out of his marriage to Kendell if you take that away he has maybe one biological ties to the community and that is his son. Miranda is not on screen and isn't even in Pine Valley and Myrtle is never seen anyway so I am not understand why you are counting her since she barely gets three episodes every six months.

The ruination of AMC started in the late summer of 2005. That was when the ratings started to dip drastically. So no. Babe was on the show nearly two years before AMC started it's "decline" for viewers and even now this "decline" looks like GOLD by comparison to what AMC is achieving now. So no you can't blame the Carey's for AMC's poor ratings. You can blame the posionous sextet who are in every storyline and are the primary focus of EVERYTHING.

Can you even deny it? Please. is right. Zach is MR. Kendell he doesn't have an identity seperate to her. Without Kendell Zach just is NOT important.

Atleast I can say that Babe is seperate from JR and that they have established her away from him. She has her own set of friends, her own job, her own support systems and those ties are numerous. She has family, friends, job and she is active member in her community. Zach may have his little casino, but without Kendell he has no family, no support systems, no circle of friends, he is mostly just islanded. If they EVER were to take Kendell out of Zach's story, 75% of Zach's story would be removed.

Ratings wise Leo/Greenlee proved to be much more viable as a super couple then Zendell. Wikipedia means nothing as it is just an edited list of "the most popular couples" listed by poll magazines. I believe Leo's death was one of the last times the show was in the upper 3 millions in households. That shows much more for compelling television then Zendell's run.

Regardless the definition of a super couple is a couple that is soo popular that they swell ratings to a notable increase. That cannot be said about any of the couples on soaps today. So now Zendell are not a super couple for that matter neither are JR and Babe (who are also on that list), Jason and Liz, Nash and Jessica, ect.

When was the last time Lily was seen? Also a large part of their friendship is due to the fact that she is Kendell's sister in law. Ryan is not Zach's friend, Annie is not Zach's friend either, Kendell doesn't count as she's his wife. Myrtle is the only real "friend" Zach has independent from Kendell and she is NEVER seen.

Erica hated him five seconds ago and I still have yet to see this supposed bond between the two. Regardless that relationship is built due to his marriage to Kendell.

Babe easily has more friends. More family, in terms of Krystal, Martins, Chandlers. Add in her ties with Ritchie, her Fusion group. I think just counting the fusion group alone shows that Babe has more personal independent ties to PV. But I don't see why we are omparing Zach to Babe anyway. What is it with you and bringing Babe up.

[Ryan]

If they were as popular as people believe they would be able to raise the ratings? That's asinine. No one couple can boost ratings. AMC's ratings can increase by consistent well written material and good storylines.

Kendall and Zach's "marriage" was a business arrangement. Neither of them intended to fall in love with one another. I don't think Kendall marrying Zach was out of character for her. Hell, she slept with Jonathan knowing he was Ryan's brother and did it to hurt Ryan, someone she claimed to still be in love with. Zach and Kendall had to learn to trust each other, and accept one another for who they are, flaws and all. That is the basis for many fans who love Zendall. Zach is the ONLY man to accept Kendall for who she truly is. That is the one thing Ryan could never do.

So just because Zach's friends don't have much screen time (or aren't in town) that means they don't count? Many friendships on shows are forged because of who they're in a relationship with. It does tend to happen in real life, so I don't see what the problem is.

The reason for AMC's poor ratings lie soley in the hands of those who write the show, and the executive producer who allows it to happen.

If we're gonna say that, then Kendall and Greenlee can take credit for all of Babe's friends. If Greenlee would have never gave shares of Fusion to Babe, then Babe wouldn't have even begin to make friends with those girls there. If Kendall hadn't decided to stop fighting with Babe, then the troops never would have fallen in line. Who is Babe's friend now anyway?

That's a little unfair. Every couple pre-2005 proved to be more viable ratings wise as a couple period.

I disagree with your definition. There have been plenty of supercouples that have never swelled ratings to a notable increase. Supercouples are generally thought of as soulmates and overcome numerous obstacles and challeges thrown at them in order for them to be together. Whether it's kidnappings, affairs, marrying other people, shootings, amnesia, whatever, they are continually tried and tested. If I were agenda based, I could probably say Zendall fits that mold, and based on the "standard" definition of a supercouple, they could be considered. I'm a fan of Zendall and don't consider them a supercouple. IMO, that term "supercouple" is just thrown around too quickly. I think Zendall is a very popular couple, but they're far from a "supercouple". Then again, if fans of the couple want to call them a supercouple, then so be it.

Again, what does this have to do with them being Zach friends? Zach and Annie are friends.

Erica sees that Zach loves Kendall, and chose to accept their marriage rather than continue to push Kendall towards Ryan. Again, I don't see how just because the friendship/relationship was forged because of his marriage to Kendall somehow diminishes that it exists.

[dragonflies]

Ryan I lurve you, and I'm going to marry your post

I'm going to explain: The reason I consider them a Super Couple, is because they fit the definition of one.

They were a couple that happened by accident. A happy accident I like to say. They were originally intended to be a pit stop on the way back to a Rendull reunion, but became so wildly popular even Frons was shocked by the reaction to them at SSW 2005

Super Couples are the ones that ARE NOT manufactured. Fans make Super Couples, and that's exactly what happened with Zendall.

One of the editors of SOW who posts over at the new SOD/SOW board said they get more MAIL about Zendall than anyone else, followed by Jack & Erica. Nothing about Jesse & Angie, etc, etc......