DYNASTY could have left DALLAS in the dust, if they had had better writing.

On 3/8/2022 at 11:24 AM, Khan said:

Hey, I never claimed to have enjoyed the Freilich-produced seasons, lol.

LOL. I think we can be friends then.

On 3/8/2022 at 12:02 PM, Soapsuds said:

Yes, that season 1984-1985 Dynasty was #1 beating Dallas by only .03 

The Massacre itself ranked #2  25.9 rating behind Dallas and Bobby's death.

The conclusion/season premiere of the following season it ranked #3  28.1 rating....the numbers actually increased.

Yeah, fall numbers are generally higher than those in the spring, when daylight savings and warm weather kick in.

What’s interesting is that the “Dallas” episode where Bobby died aired several days after the official television season ended in the middle of May. So the rating for that episode wasn’t counted toward Dallas’ 1984-85 average. Had it been, Dallas would have topped Dynasty for the season by the slimmest of margins.

4 hours ago, Chris 2 said:

LOL. I think we can be friends then.

LOL!!

But seriously.  I, myself, felt that FC became too crime-driven under Jeff Freilich's watch.  The vineyards, and the fight to control them, became almost an afterthought.  Melissa's gaining control of FC was a brilliant idea, but I think it came two seasons too late.  That, and not the Kim Novak [!@#$%^&*], should have been Freilich's first, big story for the show.

But I have read that critics - well, SOME critics - praised the show during those years for "taking risks," or whatever, and breathing new life into FC and primetime soaps in general; and how even SOD named them, and not DALLAS, DYNASTY or KL, Best Primetime Show at the SOD Awards two years in a row.  Personally...?  I think the music and sets got better, but that's about it, lol.

4 hours ago, Chris 2 said:

What’s interesting is that the “Dallas” episode where Bobby died aired several days after the official television season ended in the middle of May. So the rating for that episode wasn’t counted toward Dallas’ 1984-85 average. Had it been, Dallas would have topped Dynasty for the season by the slimmest of margins.

Imagine, for the moment, if DALLAS and DYNASTY had aired those two episodes - "Swan Song" and "Royal Wedding," respectively - opposite each other on the same night?  Between those two shows, it would have been The Greatest Night in Prime Time Television, lol.

1 hour ago, Khan said:

I, myself, felt that FC became too crime-driven under Jeff Freilich's watch. 

The crime element was always there, but it was amplified in that era.

1 hour ago, Khan said:

SOD named them, and not DALLAS, DYNASTY or KL, Best Primetime Show at the SOD Awards two years in a row.  

Not the awards, but the best of 1987 and 1988 issues. I think the writeups were posted here before.

1 hour ago, Khan said:

Imagine, for the moment, if DALLAS and DYNASTY had aired those two episodes - "Swan Song" and "Royal Wedding," respectively - opposite each other on the same night?  Between those two shows, it would have been The Greatest Night in Prime Time Television, lol.

It really would've been. Spring 1985 was the zenith of primetime soaps as a genre.

Edited March 10, 20223 yr by kalbir

On 3/8/2022 at 10:48 AM, Soapsuds said:

CM was great in ever soap she did which was all minus The Colbys but the Moldavian Massacre was Dynasty downfall. How do you top it? The Massacre never hit #1 though.

Interesting that Dynasty, Knots and the ending of FC was brought back to its roots and season 1 after all the madness in each show but it was a little bit too late.

What was Dynasty's roots though? I have watched the first 3 seasons but not sure if you can count Season 1 or 2. Granted, I didn't watch the show when it went to hell.

11 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Not the awards, but the best of 1987 and 1988 issues.

My bad!

On 3/6/2022 at 6:38 PM, Khan said:

 (Stephen Black and Henry Stern, who had been staff writers during S3, returned as Co-Producers.)

 

Gawd! I had know idea that the guys who did that  terrible year of ATWT (and the Playboy soap) were on this show.

 

 

I didn't know this until recently but apparently Les Moonves was at Lorimar/Warner Brothers from 1985-1995 and then went to CBS not long after. When the CBS big three went into budget mode, it was mostly the long-time female cast members that were salary dumped and not the males. Given what we know about Les Moonves, I wonder if there's a connection.

Edited March 20, 20223 yr by kalbir

Someone finally uploaded the Paper Dolls 1982 tv movie.

 

1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

Someone finally uploaded the Paper Dolls 1982 tv movie.

 

Oh Yeah, Stacy Keach, He actually uploaded the TV Movie AND The Whole Series very nice of him

JoANNE Collins?

20 minutes ago, Khan said:

JoANNE Collins?

😂😂😂

Yes Joan's twin sister Joanne.😂

12 hours ago, Khan said:

JoANNE Collins?

She was hardly in the tv movie.. more like a cameo.. so naturally it was Joan's twin sister

And now, I'm picturing Dame Joan disavowing her role in the miniseries.  ("Of COURSE that was my twin sister!  I would NEVER agree to appear in such trash!")