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Thanks for the tag, @DRW50! I also got a kick out of the two guys at 28:22. Are they a couple? Are they just friends? Who knows, but they seem to have walked right out of Tales of the City.

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10 minutes ago, Franko said:

Thanks for the tag, @DRW50! I also got a kick out of the two guys at 28:22. Are they a couple? Are they just friends? Who knows, but they seem to have walked right out of Tales of the City.

Waiting for a Boys in the Band revival...

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I finally sat down and watched the pilot of Berrenger's and it's fairly easy to see why it failed. Just like Paper Dolls, there's simply too many characters and it feels like stepping into a soap circa season 3. Ultimately, I think trying to do the upstairs, downstairs thing doesn't really work when there's a lack of natural interactions in their home environment - the same with Paper Dolls, it just ends up feeling like two different shows rolled into one. I think it would've been a better idea to pick a focus (either the wealthy Berrenger's or the people on the floor) and then expand. I will say though I did love Anita Morris's character Barbara the moment she stepped onto the scene - she really deserved bigger roles!

I do wonder though if we'll ever get the final two episodes, as I've only ever seen the first ten episodes circulated.

By the way, is this a young Michael Michele (8 minutes into the pilot)? It's just a non-speaking extra part, so it explains why it wouldn't be listed on her IMDB page.

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1 hour ago, te. said:

Just like Paper Dolls, there's simply too many characters and it feels like stepping into a soap circa season 3.

I think many soaps (on daytime AND on primetime) have made that mistake. They bombard the audience with characters without realizing that the audience needs to get to know the characters before immersing themselves in the storylines. Even KL made the mistake of "soaping up" in S2 before someone realized it was too much too soon and attempted a course correct.

And I agree with you about PD. All you have to do is to look at their opening credits to see how patched together the show actually was. There's the modeling stuff with Terry Farrell, Mimi Rogers and Nicolette Sheridan; then, there's the corporate stuff with Lloyd Bridges; then, there's the quasi-family drama stuff with Anne Scheeden and John Bennett Perry; then, there are Richard Beymer, Dack Rambo and Brenda Vaccaro, who are there because...?; then, there's Lauren Hutton, whose function on this show is an even bigger WTF (like, y'all can't come up with one clip that shows what all these people are actually DOING on this show?); and then, just because every soap needs a sexy bitch, let's toss Morgan Fairchild in at the end, so the men'll wanna watch, too! It's a shell game of an opening sequence, but instead of looking for the pea, you're looking for the premise.

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It's been years since i've watched Paper Dolls, but I remember liking it for the most part. There was a ton of characters, but most seemed fairly well connected. There were too many layers. It probably should have just focused around Racine's agency. I think the pilot film had just Wesley in it, but not the rest of the Harper family.

I would have dropped the Sara character (the lawyer who was sleeping with Rosco Borne's Mark Bailey and was Blair's pal) and I don't think Laurie's parents would have lasted into a second season. I think the show made a smart decision writing off Marjorie in the finale while building a Wesley / Colette / Grant triangle, though I don't remember having much interest in the story as it played out. I liked Laurie and the young man who had a salatacious past (he had done adult films I think). I thought Taryn and John Waite was fun.

I saw a handful of episodes of Berrengers. I liked the Julian Morell/ Julio Morales story. I thought Robin Strang's character seemed interesting, but didn't do much from what I recall. The French model (Laurel Hayes?) didn't work as well I think they hoped it would.

It would seem both the other primetime soaps we have talked about lately (Executive Suite and Beacon Hill) also struggled with that.

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33 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

What sizzling plots could cause Hotel to skyrocket to #1 in the ratings?

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My first thought was the bisexual storyline in 2x04 (aired October 24th, 1984). Otherwise since it has Gary Coleman dressed like Indiana Jones it would probably be around Halloween. Maybe they had a good slate of guest stars in the November sweeps?

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