Y&R Discussion: Week of April 30th

[Sweet_VeeVee24]

DS's Lily would have done what she doees best; Be Dru's daughter. CK just doesn't come off at all convincing as Lily...Every scene that she has is overlooked and the other person she's acting along side her gets the notice. When she's in a scene with MG, I focus on him; when she's in scenes with Adrianne, I focus on Adrianne...I don't even focus on CK when she's in scenes with other people.

[DeeeDee]

Nikki would NEVER EVER EVER do to her children what she did today. And despite it bein "fun" it's HORRIBLY OOC & extremely damagin for the character.

It's all bein done to prop Phyllis & make her out to be the innocent poor wittle victim of mean old Nikki & as a smokescreen to keep her (once again) from sufferin ANY consequences of choices SHE made.

As much as Nikki disliked Sharon & as long as she was her daughter-in-law she never utilized extreme methods such as the ones she did today, yet she's willin to throw BOTH her children (and by extension both her grandchildren) under a bus to get back at Phyllis & score one over on Jack?

That's NOT Nikki.

And this is ALL about proppin Phyllis.

The character is a fan favorite Mary Sue that NEVER pays yet destroys EVERY family she's shamlessly been thrust into & warps every character she interacts with.

Also, Phyllis "isn't" guilty cause LML & the obnoxious Phyllis "fans" have given her a free pass on EVERYTHING from the affair & it's ensuing fallout, the incident on the cliff & now the blackmail.

NOTHING is ever her fault & when it unequivocally is, Phyllis is always allowed to skate by utilizin moral relativism to excuse whatever horrible crap has done/does/is doin/will do to everyone.

Nikki & Victoria are the latest victims & when all is said and done they'll be off the show too.

Just like every other character & actress that proceeded them after interactin with Phyllis/MS.

But as usual there's always an excuse why Phyllis/MS is so "kewl" or so "awesome" even if it justifies destroyin every character & the show as a whole in the process.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Who has Stafford driven off the show?

I know there's speculation that Rowell and her got into it once on set, but the two women have always spoken about one another's professionalism.

[DeeeDee]

Lauralee Bell. Gone.

Tina Arning. Gone.

Patty Weaver. Good As Gone.

Alex Donnelly. Gone.

Sue Walters. Gone.

Eileen Davidson. Gone.

Vicky Rowell. Gone.

[Sweet_VeeVee24]

Quick question, what does Eileen Davidson's role of Ashley have to do with Phyllis and a reason for her being gone? That one has me puzzled.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

^Me too, and with that logic, Sharon Case wouldn't have just signed a new 3 year contract, since she was Phyllis' last sparring partner.

I initially gathered that Stafford was somehow responsible for those women being fired, but I very much doubt TPTB give a rats ass what she thinks.

[DeeeDee]

She's another in an already long line of 40something characters/actresses that was written off not long after opposin (and in addition to proppin) Giggly Heffa.

Sharon Case was lucky cause there would've been no one else for Phyllis to "spar" (bully) with (other than Victoria) had she left, so there was plenty of incentive for TPTB to resign her.

[winterguy125]

Most of the people you listed were gone way before LML took over

Lets see

Lauralee Bell, her own doing and has been on recurring for years

Tina Arning, don't even know who she is?

Patty Weaver, has only showed up for once scene a month for years

Alex Donnelly, gone way before LML

Sue Walters, way before LML

Eileen Davidson, was wall paper for ever before she was let go

Vikki Rowell, again she wanted out, it was not LML's doing.

[DeeeDee]

Eh. No.

All of them were marginalized, destroyed and/or written off after "interactin with" (bullied by) Phyllis/MS.

Bell, Arning, Weaver, Donnelly, Walters, Davidson, Rowell and now Heinle & Scott are fast on the process of bein ruined.

Heather's lucky she left when she did cause she would've been next.

But God Forbid someone EVER say anything bad about St. Michelle.

[Clue101]

^^

Michelle Stafford is responsible for all those actresses losing their jobs over the years? Let's think about this logically. If that were true, one would think that the actors on the show would despise her, no? After all, wouldn't the actors at Y&R have noticed this ingenious hypothesis that whoever is 'bullied' by Phyllis/MS is eventually laid off the show?

Yet, year after year, MS is pre-nominated for an emmy by her peers, which includes the actors on HER show.. would this be possible if what is being said is true? I think not. Just as Rowell has been shunned by her peers for personal/storyline issues, so would Stafford.

That speculation about MS and VR is false. Not only has VR recently said that Stafford is "the most exciting actress in daytime" but if you watch clips of MS' emmy wins, VR is there, happily hugging Stafford while her name is called out. They seem to be good friends. They also had an excellent on-screen dynamic.

If Stafford is gifted and makes other actors pale in comparison, then thats not her problem. This character was brought in as a short-term villain;it was MS' talents that forced the writers to make the character long term, because she won over the fans, the writers, and the actors. Producers have said that they could watch MS and CLB read a phone book all night, because thats just how good they are. Could the same be said for all the other actors on that list? I doubt it. Phyllis has been blamed for being a whore, a murderer, a blackmailer and every other evil trait a character can take on. And yet, Phyllis has rooting power - because Staffords just that good. If the writers wanted to pimp Phyllis, they wouldn't, time and again, remind us of how devious Phyllis can be; they would probably turn her into a victim, as they have done with other characters on the show.

Rowell left because she wanted to write for the show and was denied; Eileen left because of the negative impact the sperm stealing story left on the character, Weaver has stopped showing since Latham's "brilliant and explosive" writing surfaced. Heinle cannot act -period. Sharon Case's contract had nothing to do with MS.. if you read her interview, she clearly stated that she wanted Sharon to be the good girl and that she hoped for certain storylines to play out a certain way. Those were her conditions.

[Ann_SS]

What did Sharon Case say in her interview about the storylines that she wanted to play out a certain way?

It is hard to believe that MS is responsible for all those actresses losing their jobs. No actress has that kind of pull with executive producer on a soap.

[Juliajms]

^ There's no way I believe Michelle is responsible for any of those people being fired. Just because her character outlasted other characters doesn't mean she's responsible for the actresses departure. Some chose to leave and some just ran their course. The idea that Michelle could be responsible for Lauralee's leaving is particularly illogical.

[DeeeDee]

They do.

But the Stafford/LeBlanc/Rikaart trio has schmoozed themselves into makin stuff a popularity contest.

Every female character (and some male) end up on the scrap heap after bein sacrificed for Phyllis/MS.

Especially since the nomination process had been changed & MS schmoozes the entire cast & treats her job as if it were a country club.

Rowell isn't/wasn't SHUNNED.

But with the switch in the nomination process there's only so many actresses that can be voted, yet inconsistent Stafford & non existant Cooper over Rowell & Case? Psch, whatever.

As she said there is tremendous apathy & jealousy given her star status but the work she did was undeniable & had the nomination process not been as screwed up as it is & she's NOT the only actor to have those feelings either.

LMAO. Stafford is NOT that good.

If she was she would've been successful when she left the show in a LURCH to pursue primetime/mainstream success, but she WASN'T.

Unlike VR who not ONLY remained loyal to her show but also SUCCEEDED at not only maintainin but FLOURISHIN in mainstream Hollywood.

It was MS POPULARITY with THE FANS that caused TPTB to keep her.

However, that POPULARITY still didn't keep the character from warpin the canvas & every character she comes in contact with.

And while MS & CLB are good.

They're not good enough to justify warpin this show to keep their characters stagnant in order to appease viewers who refuse to deal with them growin in any logical manner.

Actually it could & it HAS been.

And it had been plenty of times prior to MS even DEBUTIN on the show.

LMAO. It's EASY for her to be blamed for all those things cause she is ALL of those things.

And ever since she's remained unrelentingly frontburner & shoved down the audience throat with NO logical character growth she's just grown repulsive & stagnant like Carly on GH.

Phyllis IS the biggest victim on the show. NOTHING is EVER her fault & when it is there's ALWAYS someone to wipe away her tears even though the pathetic bitch is over 40.

No.

Rowell left because TPTB told her "stay in your place Black Girl" despite bein current one of Y&R's most successful actors (second only to EB) & one of Y&R's all time most successful actresses & characters.

Eileen was FIRED cause there was no room to write for any actress over 40 unless her name is PHYLLIS.

Weaver was marginalized after dealin with Phyllis.

Sharon & Sharon Case has been VILIFIED to unheard of extents since bein thrown into Phyllis orbit(like any & all actresses that oppose Carly on GH).

As usual though, ANY excuse to justify the constant warpin of the show to suit Phyllis/MS.

But whatever, this show is now officially GH!Lite all the way down to obnoxious fan wars & frequent need to destroy characters/actors to pimp "The Chosen Ones".

[DeeeDee]

Of course not. It's just happenstance that any actress (and some actors) end up conventiently written off after interactin with her.

Every character in her orbit has/had been WARPED to to keep Phyllis "kewl".

"Ran their course" must be slang for bein ruined to prop another character. lol

How so?

[DeeeDee]

It's a combo of bein paired AGAINST Phyllis/MS & rabid fans.