:lol: You are too dang crazy for your own good!! :lol:

There was a comment something to the effect that Philip was given away 25 years ago. Then immediately a comment that it was before Esther came to work for Kay.

Well I think it's obvious that Gloria has done some hideous things. But so have Sheila Carter, Heather Webber on GH, Barbara Ryan on ATWT, and many other villainesses & nasty women of the soaps.

I agree that the Reliquary storyline does seem to have a lot of stops & starts. But it might have had to do with the flow of other stories. It's also not unusual with this particular show over time for that kind of thing to have happened.

And yes I also agree there's too much airtime for Korbel & Colleen together.

But I praise the show because I like it. I say it's better than the others because it IS. I don't praise it simply BECAUSE it's better than the others. I'll also say what I DON'T like about it. It isn't perfect.

Now, Amber is another matter. I don't see Amber as being forced down our throats. I find her fascinating. She's not a new character. Most viewers must be aware she has a history on B&B even if they didn't watch a lot of it. She was a huge favourite over there. So really it's just a continuation of a really good character.

I like her chemistry with Cane but I LOVE her chemistry with Daniel. It shows even more in a post-Davetta show. Daniel & Amber have this HUGE sparking thing. They start flirting and fireworks go off all over the screen.

Now I may be wrong about this but I assumed the Kay & Jill thing is just beginning, and that it has a lot more airtime coming up. Sometimes things have to build. It's a bit of a stretch if they suddenly overnight go back to the hate/hate thing from the current bizarre toleration sweet relationship of the past few years. But I don't know. Maybe it is as assumed they just want to show the young kids more.

I don't think Gloria is amoral, though. Highly immoral at times but not amoral. I see her having a warped view of morality but it is some kind of moral view however odd & at times very very wrong. I do think that at certain times Sheila has been written as amoral.

But ultimately I look forward to watching it and enjoy it. That's what counts. Trying to sit through GH, for example, raises my blood pressure too high and makes me want to scream & yell at the idiots who are destroying the characters and writing all that trash & crap. So I just can't do it.

I keep watching B&B hoping it will improve, or show some of the strength it had during the Betty White stint or some of the best Sally Spectra shenanigans. But unfortunately it keeps resorting to all that incest & the ENDLESS Brooke & Ridge, Ridge & Brooke, Brooke & Ridge, Ridge & Brooke dance that's been way overdone for many years now. At least when it started it had Caroline in the mix which was a HUGE factor that's no longer there. There were also more major families, not just the Forresters, and lately despite a few weak attempts to expand back it's still mostly just the Forresters.

With Y&R I turn on and just get caught up with the stories & the characters. That's what I ask for in a show and that's what they're giving me now. Maybe next week that won't be the case. It's a weird state in daytime with all kinds of changes going on all the time. And maybe Y&R isn't quite as compelling at the moment as it's been at times in the past, even much of the past few years, but it's still commanding my interest & affection. Despite some flaws Days is the only other one I can say the same about all the time lately.

I don't really have the energy to state why I think the show is turning into rotting garbage, but here it goes.

LML is so half azzed its ridiculous. Not only are her stories never thought through, but she completely ignores history to write in crap. Ashley Abbott moving away to HONG FRICKEN KONG because Jack is Mean? WHAT THE FUGG????? Jack wanting his sister to leave? Ashley not agreeing with Jack taking away what is rightfully theirs? Are you kidding me?

Phyllis the loon boon is now Y&R's premeire wife and mother? Are you kidding me, ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

The only way you can get her to play crazy because Latham has completely stepford wifed her is to steal the perenial performance of another great villian? You have to turn Phyllis into Sheila??? Latham needs her entire azz kicked just for that alone. This is paternity switching Phyllis. This is set a building on fire with a person in it Phyllis, this is hem Diane in a headlock Phyllis but now all of a sudden butter doesn't melt in her mouth??? You have to steal Kimberlin's thunder to incorporate it for Michelle Stafford? Not only is this insulting to Kimberlin, but Michelle doesn't need it, she can play certifable without anyone's help.

We're supposed to believe that Brad Carlton, an executive of two Major corporations, hadn't been found out in 20 years about being a long lost supposed killer? These relequary people haven't figured that out?

Victor wins everything, he can have epileptic seizure but he still knows everything Jack is doing?

Kevin the moron is a computer whiz who can hack into email but NOONE discovers it,, noone discovers the bull he and Michael were up to with Jack? Gloria the idiot hasn't been found out yet tainting cream?'

She turns Katherine into a dumb biitch who is somehow Mystically able to tell what Jack is doing but so dumb she doesn't know that what Michael and

And She Killed John to prop Gloria. I will never forgive the biitch for that.

She plays favorites, ignores history, rewrites things, starts crap out, doesn't finish it. I'm now finding different things to do with my time at what used to be the best hour in soap time, 11 central.

Perfection.

And ITA with your post Darn. I totally missed it at first.

I feel as though Y&R shouldn't be praised just because everything else is crap. That's insulting to me as a viewer. "Oh, well, at least you're better than that crap! Let me praise you up and down!" It's like praising an average episode simply because it isn't horse dung.

ITA with this especially. I understand some people appreciate what Y&R is right now and that's fine, opinions will vary, but for me it is going down the drain so quickly. And just because Y&R's crap smells a little better than some of the other crap, doesn't mean it still isn't crap. In fact, it's worse because Y&R should really know better.

Edited February 15, 200718 yr by Taraija

I am not crazy, thank you very much.

Who called you crazy? If you're referring to my comment I was talking about Sheila. Who was certifiably insane.

ITA with this especially. I understand some people appreciate what Y&R is right now and that's fine, opinions will vary, but for me it is going down the drain so quickly. And just because Y&R's crap smells a little better than some of the other crap, doesn't mean it still isn't crap. In fact, it's worse because Y&R should really know better.

Exactly. And being a fan of the show for years you fall under the impression that they do. The show somehow managed to avoid the majority of the mishaps in the 90s. Firing vets, sacrificng the show to newbies, outlandish stories with cartoonish villains...yet, somehow in a year it's managed to do all of those things.

Edited February 15, 200718 yr by Darn

Sheila is so not done. Brad Bell needs to save her and place her on B&B. At least he has some idea of what the character's about unlike wacko Latham. Kimberlin has played many roles on daytime (on OLTL, PC, AW) none compare to the nanny from hell - Sheila Carter. Sheila need to high tail it to L.A. to confront Taylor, Brooke, Stephanie etc...

Um, are you forgetting Brad Bell started the ball rolling on destroying Sheila? He's mainly responsible for turning her into a one note villain, and her last stint on B&B was almost as pathetic as her last stint on Y&R (in Kimberlin form of course).

There was a comment something to the effect that Philip was given away 25 years ago. Then immediately a comment that it was before Esther came to work for Kay.

Esther became Kay's maid exactly 25 years (Can you believe it!?) ago. In real time Phillip was already 5 years old back then... So Phillip is at least 30 years old.

As for Amber: I kinda like her on Y&R for the same reason I really loved her druing her last one and two years on B&B. She's interesting to a certain extent and has LOADS of chemistry with Daniel. Thank Cane dude however can so go down under again though... Still, Amber simply does not fit into Y&R. She fits into this mess of Y&R LML is selling where characters are so annoyingly "quircky" you get headaches from and looks nearly normal.

On the rest I 1000% agree with everything Southern Honey said.

When Kimberlin gets her job back, we will stop posting with such extreme zeal... but not until then. It was a big mistake deleting our genuine belief that Kimberlin is God.

Hogan, I've stood up in defense of you before... and now you're making the same mistake you made again.

Last time, your excuse was depression or medication or something. I'm telling you now to calm down, or you're going to end up banned. I like you, and I don't want to see that happen. So please... take a chill pill.

Hey, don't take it out on him!!! So we had a bout of extreme joyous worship, big deal! She's worth it!!!

It was a big mistake deleting our genuine belief that Kimberlin is God.

Actually it was just moved to our Kimberlin thread in the Love/Hate section.

If Y&R is so bad, why is it rating 4.6 this week?

Ratings don't always correlate to quality.

Latham has turned Y&R into a boring, predictable hot mess. Most of the major storylines are really not all that interesting and I am finding them to be very McTavish like in the way it is so obvious to viewers what the outcome will be. i.e Phillip/Cane. Like How friggin obvious could Latham be?

The show is still probably the best on the air, but barely. I find myself not caring if I miss an episode here and there.

I knew that getting rid of all the veteran staff writers in the long run would hurt this show. Latham.... get a friggin clue.

Southern Honey, your post sums up everything and that's why I haven't watched since about November.

^^^Now there is a poster I haven't seen in forever. How's it going?

It's going pretty good, although I am very unhappy with close to every storyline on every soap right now. Y&R is just sad.