Gray Bunny

I don't consider the bombing as the Moldavian Massacre, because I agree the potential was there in season 4. I think they went off the deep end when Kimberly conveniently woke up one morning with a split personality. I didn't care much for the insane asylum story with Priscilla Presley.

My problem with NYC is that there isn't a real consistent storyline throughout the season. Everyone has had issues with Aviva, and then two episodes later it's finished and she's invited back to events like nothing happened. Same with Ramona and Kristen. In the "first look" that aired yesterday for next week's episode, they're shopping together. With other ladies, there isn't a consistent story, and therefore the cliffhangers at the end don't always encourage viewers to "tune in next week!" Ooh, will Sonja continue to be a sloppy drunk and show her vag? We can answer that one without even watching. They need the originals back for "gapers" shock. People will want to see the originals catfighting again for another round.

Ah yes, I must've blocked that part out.

I was just going to say the same thing. She was an awesome spoiler for Billy/Allison in season 3, but even within the first couple episodes of season 4, Billy seemed annoyed by her childish nature and her attachment to her father. He looked like he was ready to bounce, not even 2 months into their marriage. They could've written her into a different storyline, the way they did for Lexi from season 6 to 7, but they made her so pathetic. It eventually became a lost cause.

Ahahahahahah!

Oh wow, I'd have thought the final season would be released in 2015. Side note: I never cared for Gordon Thomson/Adam Carrington. I didn't realize he was there til the end?

I wondered about the green screen for the talking heads, too. Lizzie's doesn't look real at all, the one with the beautiful waves crashing along the beach that you see in the window behind her.

I'd have to agree about OC's Heather. She sure loves to school other people, like they're one of her kids. I was actually on Shannon's side during that awkward lunch. They were trying to make peace, but even as they're saying "cheers" to putting things in the past and getting to know one another, Heather is still coming across like she thinks she's done nothing wrong and she's doing Shannon a favor by forgiving her. I kinda love watching Vicki and Tamra thick as thieves together. They've done this show for so long, they just stir up trouble for the sake of the cameras. They know what they're doing; they know the game. Vicki picks on the new girl while Tamra is crass and puts her foot in her mouth. I can't imagine they'd ever have a true falling out. Are they besties off camera? Meh, debatable. But they're definitely besties at work, which is what this is for them. NYC: I have to agree that they need to do something drastic next season to really get things buzzing about the show again and get people watching. I think bringing back the originals (Jill, Alex, and/or Bethenny) would be perfect, even if it only lasted one epic season. I love the current crop of ladies, but there's really no *STAR* factor with any of the new ladies (Heather, Aviva, Carole, Kristen). The fact that low-key Carole is the one "breakout star" out of all of them is telling. I also think Ramona's actions are a little polarizing (similar to NeNe now on ATL). Ramona was always crazy, zany, and spoke without thinking first (Seasons 1-4), but this season and last she will overstep it and be extremely rude and tactless. I can admit that, and you know she's one of my favorites, but she needs to reel it back. I'm not sure who reviewed Season Six during the editing process and came out thinking Ramona was "the voice of reason" this year, but so far they are wrong. The only thing she's reasonable about is Sonja's financial problems. Sonja, yikes, what a mess. I like her friendship with LuAnn, it feels organic. It's just funny how LuAnn made a comment about how Sonja is a lot more fun when Ramona's not around, and then THAT happens at Saratoga. I don't think this is the last season of NYC. They can turn things around. I wouldn't be surprised if they got some of the original wives back, as that seems to be the direction they're going in (Dina/NJ, Sheree/ATL, Laurie/OC).

I think the Michelle Obama one is my favorite

Rosie was in the half-hour preview, as was Kathy. Something about Rosie losing weight in one scene, and in another, a dig between Kathy and Teresa because Teresa is embarking on desserts. No sign of Chucky or Donkeyface though.

Kandi was lucky to have her spinoff air on Sunday nights, Bravo's biggest night and right off of ATL's best season ever. NeNe and Kim were both on Tuesday, right? (or was Kim eventually on Thursday?) Agreed about the Beverly Hags. They're all so bitter and spiteful. Without Lisa, Kyle would surely find another target (Brandi?) to play victim to. Wash, rinse, repeat. These ladies should have learned from the NYC overhaul of 2011. 100% hate is bad for the whole show.

I was nodding off during Kandi's spinoff. In all honesty, I was extremely tired, but I wasn't too impressed to stay awake. I agree that ATL is in a strong enough position to survive without NeNe, but Beverly Hills desperately needs their Queen Bee Lisa to stay afloat. Nobody wants to see Ellen Barkin Brandi cleaning up dog poop in an empty run-down house.

For real. This one is in trouble. But to be honest, trouble seems to be brewing for over half of them at this point. Miami is gone. Nobody is watching NYC (sob!). BH is a hot mess with their future cast. NJ will be completely different and Teresa may be going to jail; we'll see how that one holds up come July. Only the ratings powerhouse Atlanta and the always-dependable OC seems stable, for the time being. Having both Joyce and Carlton axed is them basically saying they completely wasted our time last season. Yes, give Taylor some cameo comebacks, or more. Maybe Camille can be coaxed back and make nice-nice with Lisa, if she remains. Beverly Hills is imploding. P.S. Did nobody watch NYC on Tuesday? I still have to watch it. Hubby & I have opposite schedules so we gotta wait til we're both home

My TiVo referred to Tuesday's episode as Season One, Episode Twentysomething. I guess my cable provider is not getting the right info? I checked Wikipedia and according to their listings, the episodes that aired January through March were part one of season two, and this current stretch of new shows is the second half of season two, and will end during the last week of July. Overall, that was a very ho-hum episode. And painfully slow, long drawn out scenes. But that's pretty much redundant to complain about at this point. I'm glad to see Peter Parros' character grow some balls and put his foot down regarding Veronica's actions towards Jeffrey. I'm guessing by the finale, he'll be getting down with the swirl and bumping uglies with the stiff, white campaign lady. BTW: Tuesday's premiere earned 3.1 million viewers.

C'mon now, Jeffrey would be fun to break in...

Agreed. I think Joyce is a good supporting role housewife. Not one of the bigwigs like Lisa or Kyle, but a good "B" player like a Taylor or Kim (before she got her riveting storyline with Kingsley the dog). She's got a good head on her shoulders and can take a step back and examine the crazy in a civilized, well-spoken manner.

Haha!!! Yes, poor thing gets the poops during trying times. I totally agree about your Ramona/Mario assessment. I think by then they were just playing the game for the sake of the cameras. The subtext and their facial expressions told another story versus what they were saying.

I'd sure like to see the numbers during the 3 weeks in the summer of 1984 that Guiding Light hit No. 1. Also, did DAYS ever hit #1 in the 80's, like during Patch & Kayla's wedding? And the week of Steve and Betsy's wedding on ATWT, which allegedly earned 20 million viewers. And did One Life to Live ever hit #1? Questions, questions

Recently, I decided to start from scratch and begin at the very first episode and I'm going to continue on in order. Ive skipped around in the past but have yet to get to the end of season 5 (of course I've seen the actual Moldavian Massacre season finale and aftermath.) I can't believe I first purchased Season One in 2005 when it came out! They sure take their time with the releases. I think they just released season 8. I've watched Season One three or four times at this point. I really do love it. I absolutely love Pamela Sue Martin as the main vixen of the series. It's a shame they tame her down. And her 80's hair is not flattering. I love her hair in the first season. It's interesting watching Season Two now and seeing the slow transition from what they were in the 1st year to what they become by the 3rd season and beyond. I loved how the characters were so multi-dimensional. Steven was tormented and conflicted but never apologized for who he was and the feelings he had. Krystle was the middle-class outsider brought in to a world of opulence and extreme wealth. I loved how they played every beat of her uncertainly, in terms of how she should address the maids and cooks, what kinds of topics are discussed at dinner parties, what image they should maintain during hard financial times, and seeing just how ruthless Blake can actually be with business matters. Eventually as I get towards the second half of season two, I expect Krystle will be completely integrated into high society and will no longer flinch. And I'm already seeing Steven giving goofy looks to Amanda Woodward.

I agree that BenDeLaCreme should have been Top 3. But I'd take out Adore first. I'm thinking BenDeLa didn't make Top 3 because her matronly looks and quirky characters were too similar to last year's winner. She should get Miss Congeniality at least.

Darienne Lake gave good face and could lip sync. Which came in handy since she had to do it like 3 times... But yeah. Total hater. Shades of Roxxy only larger.

I agree with all this. Bianca has cracked me up since day one. Although Courtney literally looks like a hot woman, there's a bit of insincerity to her. (Roxxy. Ugh... )

I'm glad we 100% agree on Jersey and the uninterest in fame whore Mel Gorga, but respectfully disagree on things Ramona-related.

Calm down.

LOL Those are great names. Trying to play catch-up on this thread. Yes, Ramona was wrong. She tried to apologize, but Kristen wasn't receptive. FYI, it was revealed on WWHL that the glass was plastic, not actual glass. Still, the act was inexcusable, but it does make it less dangerous. I think Ramona is like many other people, celebrity or "normal", who've had traumatic events happen that they've never gotten over. Look at Rosie O'Donnell. She lost her mother at age 11 and she still has mommy issues to this day. I do think her meltdown was genuine. I also think the whole Escape to the Hamptons was well known in advance. Wasn't she co-host of the event or something? Clearly, it wasn't a last-minute idea. I wouldn't be surprised if they all knew what was really going on, off-camera. Just like her onscreen excuse for not attending Heather's party earlier. She was very sorry and horrified at her own actions, as seen on WWHL, so I give her credit. She can own when she's wrong now, which is not something she's always done. And it's certainly not something that certain other "Bosses" of the Housewives franchises can attest to... NJ: This new Teresa girl must be spectacular for them to bring her on, when their leading lady has the same name! That's kinda crazy that her name is Teresa and she and her identical twin sister will also be on. Sounds confusing.