Everything posted by Xanthe
- Another World Discussion Thread
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The Politics Thread
Apparently Nate Holden says he was with Donald Trump in a helicopter crash and no one mentioned Kamala Harris. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/09/trump-plane-crash-california-00173487
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Another World Discussion Thread
I'm not sure whether this actor looks familiar or if he just looks similar to someone familiar. Anyone recognize him? This is from an episode in July 1991. The character is some guy that Cass and Kathleen pretend that they are interested in chartering a boat from in order to try to find out where Taylor Benson might have gone. The character may be called Ruskin.
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The Politics Thread
This helicopter flight lawsuit threat is so bizarre. I gather from CNN that Trump considers that it proves that Willie Brown told him "terrible things" about Kamala but the idea that Brown's denial enrages him so much that he is threatening to sue people is plain weird.
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Another World Discussion Thread
Lemay certainly comments in Eight Years in Another World on how dissatisfied he was working with subwriters. He talks about firing experienced subwriters in order to hire novices (hoping he can shape them according to his preferences) and then firing the novices and hiring a cowriter, and then he gives the impression that he fired the cowriter and did all the writing himself (as well as kept all of the money budgeted for subwriters) because no one else wrote what he wanted and he was rewriting so much anyway. I agree that if Lemay didn't use the staccato style it seems unlikely that he would have given those instructions to dialogue writers. He does mention "specific guidelines" but "contradictory situations" sounds more like plot than style?
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Another World Discussion Thread
I'm not sure about all time periods, but definitely the ones I can think of were all packaged consistently for the NBC soaps -- this clip had Another World and Santa Barbara under the "it will excite you" theme. And I forget the theme for the set of ads they did with Matt and Josie and the balloons and Sam and Amanda where he drops ice down her cleavage, but that same set included couples from Santa Barbara as well. Of course those were generic and had zero to do with the plot. Because of simulcasting, where the Canadian networks take over the US station on the cable broadcast, I rarely saw the NBC promos. When Search For Tomorrow was ending it had no Canadian network so I was occasionally able to see one right before Days came on, but most shows had a Canadian network.
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Another World Discussion Thread
Thanks for this. I was trying to place this since so many of these promos were edited to be misleading. Looks like it is early August 1986 when Cass, Kathleen, and Cecile were held hostage by Reginald ("Mr Lasalle")'s lackey Ludwig. Maybe Cecile threatened Cass at some point but the real danger was Ludwig and it's just as likely that it was Ludwig Kathleen was talking to.
- As The World Turns Discussion Thread
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Another World Discussion Thread
I was very disappointed in her Donna. It wasn't all her fault, part of it was absolutely the writing, but after Anna Stuart there was something missing. Philece did not bring the patrician air that made Donna's snobbery convincing. But Donna at this time was in the shadow of Reginald, or maybe I should say that Donna had been replaced in the conflict with Reginald by Michael. Reginald was Michael's enemy and Donna was the wife Michael was protecting. In the meantime Michael and Donna's love story was undermined by the way John's backstory forced him between them. That doesn’t even get into the messed up rape angle juxtaposed with the current-day lustful temptation story which I have ranted about here at every opportunity.
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Another World Discussion Thread
Thanks! "Cass" at this point is of course the imposter Rex Allingham. I was pleased to find the below even though it is the Italian dubbed version. The first 2.25 hours are from late 1983/early 1984 with Kim Morgan Greene's Nicole and then it jumps a few years to at least 1987 with Anne Howard's Nicole. I don't understand enough Italian to really follow the details but I enjoy seeing the 1983/1984 cast. I do wish I knew what Cecile's visit to the fashion house[?] was about, or Jamie working on the green screen until suddenly success! 5 years could be too much when you're calculating whether she could be the mother of a pair of twins about to reach the age of majority. But there was enough wiggle room there that I don't think age was Philece's biggest problem as Donna.
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The Media/Journalism Thread
I don't doubt that the press can spin this if they want to, but part of me wonders whether Trump has confused Kamala with Nikki Haley. I mean he doesn't care about facts and will say as many contradictory things as he likes in order to attack other people, but that was so perplexing.
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Another World Discussion Thread
Buy low, sell high. Absolutely. That's why I think it's useful to be transparent about the source. If the novelizations had made the same claim that Mike Bauer was Michael Randolph's namesake we could not be sure whether that came from the show or not, but in the absence of other evidence it might make it more likely -- or at least explain why a fan might believe it. Even in the show retcons can of course provide contradictory facts at different points in time. And I know the AWHP has some facts recorded with a note that at one point in time the show said X but later changed it to Y, because both are true.
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Another World Discussion Thread
For what it's worth, I looked into the Soaps & Serials novelization (#3, "Affairs of the Moment") and there was nothing there claiming that Michael and Marianne were named after anyone specific. Not conclusive but it doesn't add any weight to the Mike Bauer theory. I skimmed the Kate Lowe Kerrigan novelizations as well but they are very focused on Rachel/Alice/Steve and basically skip over Pat in this time period.
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Another World Discussion Thread
Was he treating Lisa? I thought they just knew her because they were both helping the police with the investigation. He was definitely Donna's shrink and then it turned out that he had been Lisa's mother's therapist which had started his obsession with Lisa and her virginity. I have to disagree that that was a good violence against women story. Number one it was too focused on a virgin/whore fantasy in which the only thing that "saved" Lisa was the fact that she had been raped by someone else when she was 14. The serial killer's pattern wasn't anything that exists in nature -- he was obsessed with a young girl for years and eventually started killing prostitutes before starting to kill slightly older women who were the furthest thing from sex workers and one male student until he finally kidnapped his now adult target Lisa. I'm not saying that actors can't give good performances in a salacious story, but to me a good story about violence against women would have to reckon somewhat realistically with misogyny, power dynamics, issues of who knows what when, & the challenges of holding abusers accountable. There could be a realistic story of a therapist taking advantage of a patient but this wasn't that.
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Another World Discussion Thread
Margaret dePriest seemed to go for serial killers. She wrote both the Sin Stalker and Fax Newman. The thing about violence against women is that there can be a good way to tell those stories if it is not about titillation or punishing a bad girl so she can repent. I don't know whether I can think of a storyline on AW off the top of my head that did a good job of it -- maybe parts of Sharlene's history, although the split personality might have been a distraction at times.
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Another World Discussion Thread
I thought perhaps Rachel was a bit saintly in an earlier scene (on an earlier day) when she advised Jamie that he needed to be kind to Mac and continue to consider him as a father. But clearly at this point even she and Russ are on excellent terms and nothing is unforgivable. Thanks. It seems that they were born quite far apart in time as well. Cory Hobson/Ewing was born about 20 years before Cory Hutchins.
- Another World Discussion Thread
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Another World Discussion Thread
I tend to agree. I don't see any description that supports Mike Bauer as namesake and also he had been gone for a couple of years by the time Michael Randolph was born. I suppose there could be a case to be made that in the story Bauer had become a fond memory but it seems like a bit of a reach. But I would be happy to be proved wrong if someone does have evidence that Pat and John were thinking of Michael Bauer in 1970. The difference though seems to be that we can definitely point to an onscreen moment where Matthew's name was discussed. See Dec 18, 1980. http://www.anotherworldhomepage.com/aw1980de.html
- Another World Discussion Thread
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Another World Discussion Thread
Were Alex and Xander both born on the show? I think they are excluded regardless by my second criterion, that there be no obvious different nickname. It's relatively common for soap babies to be named in honour of another character. On AW, Sandy Cory named his son Alexander but they called him Alex. Jamie was called after Jim Matthews. Wally Curtin was named after his father Walter. Baby Steven was named after Steve Frame. Grant Perry Todd was named after his grandfather who would die by the end of the year and the recently deceased Perry Hutchins. Jeanne Ewing was called after Larry's mother who either died right before or soon after his daughter's birth. Brittany's baby was named Peter Reginald officially but she secretly called him Little C. One way or another they avoided having two living characters with exactly the same name.
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Another World Discussion Thread
True. I wonder if that is the only instance of more than one baby born on a soap (as opposed to being introduced later in life) being given the same first name and with no scope for different versions of the name for everyday use. I suppose there are probably shows that did get cluttered up with Jrs and IIIs that I can't think of. But although Cory Hobson and Cory Hutchins were both named after Mac neither is related to him by blood.
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Another World Discussion Thread
It also essentially eliminated any chance that Cory Ewing (or Hobson or Delaney) would return as a character in the future. None of that stuck with me. Scanning through the AWHP synopses for 1998 and 1999 made me realize that I had also completely forgotten about Scott Guthrie who claimed to be Carl's brother. That seemed like rather a mess.
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Another World Discussion Thread
I had forgotten about this but before the introduction of Lumina and Jordan there was a character called Zak Wilder who insinuated himself into Lila and then Sofia's lives. Lila was about to give birth to Jasmine. Subsequently Zak was revealed to be Jordan's lackey. Jordan is apparently the author of a book that is *200* years old. He had Lila spy on the Corys.
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Another World Discussion Thread
The parts of the story that flashed back to the relationship of Amalie and Jordan Stark appeared to be set at least 100 years earlier -- they did not look 20th century at all. And Jordan Stark had a facial disfigurement that seemed to hint at a kind of Phantom of the Opera vibe. Then there was a kind of Secret Garden angle with the closed-up walled garden on the Cory property.
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Another World Discussion Thread
It does make me wonder about the sequence of events -- when they start planting the seeds for the appearance of the new character vs when the actor is cast. Edward (or Édouard?) Gérard was frequently referred to as Monsieur, and Michaud Christophe who was later revealed to be his son Albert was played by the francophone (Québécois) actor Serge Dupire. Monsieur was mentioned at least 2 months before he appeared.