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#21 Antoyne

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:41 AM

The Y&R cast with a few exceptions.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:44 AM

That's cuz the Y&R casts put their business out in the opening and doesn't fake like they are one big happy family.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:29 AM

Paul Rauch

 

You can make awful creative decisions, you can hire your friends, you can be a show killer, but when you go out of your way to be a nasty, hurtful person, that I find to be the most unforgivable.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:45 AM

Deidre Hall just ask Melissa Reeves
Eric Braeden once yelled so much on set, they had to take the kids off set
Hunter Tylo and hubby Matt can both be royal (and weird) pains in the ass
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:47 AM

Eric Braeden beat the crap out of Peter Bergman. That in itself makes me dislike him. Because, I have respect for PB.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:49 AM

Yes, he did, and then even when Braeden was forced to apologize to PB and cast/crew, etc for causing the show to be dark for several days, he pretty much apologized without ever saying "sorry."
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#27 y&r_fan

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:07 AM


Eric Braeden beat the crap out of Peter Bergman.


There's no excuse for that. It's like beating a woman.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:05 AM

As for Ellen Wheeler, no one has much good to say about the Peapack era production model, that's true, but she still revitalized and kept GL afloat before that.  There was a time in 2005-2006 when it seemed like GL was back, in a big way.  With a new, young head writer promoted from within the ranks (Kreizman had worked at GL in various capacities since 1995), supercouple Jonathan/Tammy, Reva in a riveting cancer storyline, Billy Lewis back on the frontburner, and an exciting new opening, GL was catching up to AMC and OLTL in the ratings, no longer always last place, as those ABC soaps were in freefall.  GL actors also won a bunch of Emmys in 2006.  Then GL celebrated its 70th anniversary with an innovative "Find Your Light" campaign and the Irna Phillips episode in January 2007.  Next, while the loss of Jammy was a blow, and it was a bad decision to kill Tammy off, the show won the writing Emmy in 2007.  It still seemed like it was possible to see a future for the Light.

 

Some fans had given up on the show long before this, but the show still had vocal and happy supporters.

 

Then I don't know what happened to her in 2008 that she suddenly made such awful decisions like making the writers deliberately write a bunch of aimless "slice of life" scenes instead of drama during the Peapack era.  The slice of life stuff is good in snippets, but as a whole, you can't have a soap where that's all there is.  She misinterpreted what people meant when they said they wanted soaps to be more realistic.  Also I don't care how little money the show had, I don't see how she couldn't have found a way to keep some kind of rehearsal time for the actors.  Wheeler still came up with Otalia though, one good thing in the final year.  And Peapack doesn't make me forget that she did good things before that.

 

People have also said good things about Wheeler for her previous jobs as an actress and a director. 

 

So she doesn't have the worst reputation in the industry.


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#29 DRW50

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:58 AM

The people who have the worst reputations are the people who don't have jobs at the moment. 


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:00 AM

As for Ellen Wheeler, no one has much good to say about the Peapack era production model, that's true, but she still revitalized and kept GL afloat before that.  There was a time in 2005-2006 when it seemed like GL was back, in a big way.  With a new, young head writer promoted from within the ranks (Kreizman had worked at GL in various capacities since 1995), supercouple Jonathan/Tammy, Reva in a riveting cancer storyline, Billy Lewis back on the frontburner, and an exciting new opening, GL was catching up to AMC and OLTL in the ratings, no longer always last place, as those ABC soaps were in freefall.  GL actors also won a bunch of Emmys in 2006.  Then GL celebrated its 70th anniversary with an innovative "Find Your Light" campaign and the Irna Phillips episode in January 2007.  Next, while the loss of Jammy was a blow, and it was a bad decision to kill Tammy off, the show won the writing Emmy in 2007.  It still seemed like it was possible to see a future for the Light.

 

Some fans had given up on the show long before this, but the show still had vocal and happy supporters.

 

Then I don't know what happened to her in 2008 that she suddenly made such awful decisions like making the writers deliberately write a bunch of aimless "slice of life" scenes instead of drama during the Peapack era.  The slice of life stuff is good in snippets, but as a whole, you can't have a soap where that's all there is.  She misinterpreted what people meant when they said they wanted soaps to be more realistic.  Also I don't care how little money the show had, I don't see how she couldn't have found a way to keep some kind of rehearsal time for the actors.  Wheeler still came up with Otalia though, one good thing in the final year.  And Peapack doesn't make me forget that she did good things before that.

 

People have also said good things about Wheeler for her previous jobs as an actress and a director. 

 

So she doesn't have the worst reputation in the industry.

 

Agreed. She's no different than a dozen other producers who had to helm dying soaps.. People were put off by some of her decisions and demeanor but the only one who ever bashed her personally was Nellie Olsen. 

 

I also remember a lot of Mormon-bashing in there too, which has nothing to do with her work as producer.

 

She wasn't that great but she did manage to get a ton of people to return to the show. Someone with a bad rep generally won't be able to do that.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:00 AM

The people who have the worst reputations are the people who don't have jobs at the moment. 

Thats not true, two of the most hated cast members I know of are still on their shows, and will be until the end. 

 

Fans do hate people on the daytime world more than anyone working in it really do thought. Most of them just treat it like we do our jobs. 


Edited by JackPeyton, 29 January 2013 - 06:02 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:02 AM

Thats not true, two of the most hated cast members I know of are still on their shows, and will be until the end. 

 

They're hated, but still seen as employable or valuable enough to work. When someone has a truly bad rep, a radioactive one, the doors shut. I think that's what happened to George Reinholt. 


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:03 AM

 I think that's what happened to George Reinholt. 

Speaking of him, i just admiring how good looking he was. 


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:39 AM

As for Ellen Wheeler, no one has much good to say about the Peapack era production model, that's true, but she still revitalized and kept GL afloat before that.  There was a time in 2005-2006 when it seemed like GL was back, in a big way.  With a new, young head writer promoted from within the ranks (Kreizman had worked at GL in various capacities since 1995), supercouple Jonathan/Tammy, Reva in a riveting cancer storyline, Billy Lewis back on the frontburner, and an exciting new opening, GL was catching up to AMC and OLTL in the ratings, no longer always last place, as those ABC soaps were in freefall.  GL actors also won a bunch of Emmys in 2006.  Then GL celebrated its 70th anniversary with an innovative "Find Your Light" campaign and the Irna Phillips episode in January 2007.  Next, while the loss of Jammy was a blow, and it was a bad decision to kill Tammy off, the show won the writing Emmy in 2007.  It still seemed like it was possible to see a future for the Light.

 

Some fans had given up on the show long before this, but the show still had vocal and happy supporters.

 

Then I don't know what happened to her in 2008 that she suddenly made such awful decisions like making the writers deliberately write a bunch of aimless "slice of life" scenes instead of drama during the Peapack era.  The slice of life stuff is good in snippets, but as a whole, you can't have a soap where that's all there is.  She misinterpreted what people meant when they said they wanted soaps to be more realistic.  Also I don't care how little money the show had, I don't see how she couldn't have found a way to keep some kind of rehearsal time for the actors.  Wheeler still came up with Otalia though, one good thing in the final year.  And Peapack doesn't make me forget that she did good things before that.

 

People have also said good things about Wheeler for her previous jobs as an actress and a director. 

 

So she doesn't have the worst reputation in the industry.

 

Wheeler's turn at GL is an interesting story in and of itself(more interesting then anything on the show post Peapack.) The good, she was not responsible for the mess GL was at the time she took over, either creatively or financially. I think really any good to great EP (or which Ellen was not) would have failed that that point. GL's cancellation is not on her head, it was on MADD for letting Rauch blow the budget, then freaking out and placing Conboy and Weston in charge, which took the show into not only a creative dive, but, and no one thought it was possible, a financial one as well. I will give Wheeler credit for that, and for the fact that she actually, really wanted to make it work. She couldn't , she was frankly an inept producer (good actress, director, but not a producer.)

 

However, Wheeler did not understand GL and the few successes she pulled off (Otalia/Jonathon,)were really the brain child of other writers  (Jon he was going to be Reva's stalker and a sociopathic bad egg/ Labine wanted Olivia/Holly, which would have been HOT) but she quickly ruined even that by taking Jonathon from a fascinating sexual maniplative sociopath, to the anti hero beloved by all cliched soap writer and producers.  The Reva cancer storyline, was far from riveting to most viewers, who were pissed that the real story was about Josh/Cassie..and I think that storyline, along with Phillip implodes and his "death," are really what the problem was with her, she could come up with really interesting ideas...(Reva WAS always running from Josh, so what if Josh didnt chase this time? What if Phillip went over the edge???) however, she had no idea how to do those stories with finesse or style...Josh jumps at Cassie and neither one of them show a trace of quilt or ambiguity on this (both of those would have made the storyline both fascinating and tolerable to viewers) Phillip goes nuts in one day, shows no sign of, again, ambiguity or humaness, he becomes Jame Stenbeck all of a sudden.  And I do blame Wheeler on all of those things since day one, she butted into the writers room and forced ideas and opinions on them (i.e. Josh's becomes a "new age," pastor) I didnt like Krazy Davey but his work on ATWT was a bit better.  It didnt help that she put all her eggs in a few baskets (Gush, BC/Coopers) and couldnt see the big picture.

 

The show did indeed have a vocal following but it was the internet fan character actor couple nuts who were left, the Gushies, the BC's the KZ's ...everyone else had left the room or was left rolling their eyes. The worst decision she made was to keep the show going in Peapack.  Once again, interesting idea, terrible execution, she had no budet to do it and she had no experience or talent to pull it off.

 

Wheeler is not the most hated person out there, but she was NOT in anyway good. She got a raw deal yes, but a more talented stronger EP could have risen above it a bit better, (look at even Gautman, his sets and his location filming were much better then hers) and lets face it, Wheeler is a bit of an oddball to begin with, and the stress made it worse, she was unraveling during the last part of GL. 


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

I think Labine's story with Olivia/Holly was going to be more along the lines of The Children's Hour.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

Most actors are extremely insecure and narcissistic.  When you add cray cray (Robin Strasser), or macho/big penis arrogance (Eric Braeden), or downright insanity (Victoria Rowell/Brenda Dickson) you get even more interesting results

 

The ones with really bad behaviors though get fired and don't have long daytime careers...Nathaniel Marsden comes to mind. 

 

Some who were difficult also were employed for many years: Helen Wagner, Eileen Fulton, Larry Bryggman, Kim Zimmer...some cray cray is worth the ratings...

 

 


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#37 MrQuartermaine

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:17 PM

TPTB:

Brian Frons

Jill Farren Phelps

 

Soap Columnists:

Nelson Branco

Carolyn Hinsey

 

Actors:

Eric Braeden

Kim Zimmer

Steve Burton

Brenda Dickson

Victoria Rowell  


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

Who knew that one could garner the 'worst reputation' from actively speaking out against the racist double standards in front of and behind the camera?

 

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

I get the feeling Burton probably has a worse reputation with fans than he does with the networks (except for the Monavie mess).


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:13 PM

Some who were difficult also were employed for many years: Helen Wagner, Eileen Fulton, Larry Bryggman, Kim Zimmer...some cray cray is worth the ratings...

LOL..someone else had mentioned that Wagner was difficult...Fulton I believe (I think she actually thought she WAS Lisa) and Bryggman, but I can't wrap my mind around Nancy Hughes having a hissy fit and storming off to her dressing room. What, she didn't like they coffee pot they made her hold????


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