12 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

Barrington County has been mentioned as where Fairmont Crest is located so I am assuming that Elon is chief of that county. Jacob arrested Dani for shooting up the wedding and that was definitely in Fairmont Crest. But the implied pay scale is still off. A metro area police chief at minimum should be making 150k a year. Now a dispatcher would be on the lower end at about 50k, but combined the Hawthornes wouldn't be working class.

Working class may have been the wrong word to use, but I just meant a regular person with a regular job. Not someone building a "shouse", LOL

25 minutes ago, MontyB said:

Working class may have been the wrong word to use, but I just meant a regular person with a regular job. Not someone building a "shouse", LOL

I think working class is the right word for what the show is trying to portray, but the writers put Elon too high up the ladder to effectively sell the family as working class.

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by ReddFoxx

40 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

I think working class is the right word for what the show is trying to portray, but the writers Elon too high up the ladder to effectively sell the family as working class.

I agree with you that the writers are off here. They've made numerous missteps in suggesting how much money people have.

All this discussion about the Hawthorne finances is an example of that. That Lynette is so broke is another. That Hayley has taken down so many marks and ex-husbands and doesn't mention that money is another.

That Leslie seemingly has a never-ending bank account. That Samantha is written as someone out of place at the cotillion even though she's grown up around wealth and power.

Regarding Darlene, I really like the actress and the character so far. I wasn't crazy about the dress she wore (that many posted here) but I don't think it looks cheap. I just think she's a beautiful woman they could have done better for.

And Darlene has a sense of class that Leslie can't even sniff.

2 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

And Darlene has a sense of class that Leslie can't even sniff.

Speak on it.

2 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

I agree with you that the writers are off here. They've made numerous missteps in suggesting how much money people have.

All this discussion about the Hawthorne finances is an example of that. That Lynette is so broke is another. That Hayley has taken down so many marks and ex-husbands and doesn't mention that money is another.

That Leslie seemingly has a never-ending bank account. That Samantha is written as someone out of place at the cotillion even though she's grown up around wealth and power.

Regarding Darlene, I really like the actress and the character so far. I wasn't crazy about the dress she wore (that many posted here) but I don't think it looks cheap. I just think she's a beautiful woman they could have done better for.

And Darlene has a sense of class that Leslie can't even sniff.

As far as Lynette and Hayley go that can be explained that scammers burn through money quick which means constantly having to find a mark. Expensive clothes, jewelry and dinners do add up over time.

4 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

As far as Lynette and Hayley go that can be explained that scammers burn through money quick which means constantly having to find a mark. Expensive clothes, jewelry and dinners do add up over time.

That's how I see it.

4 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

Regarding Darlene, I really like the actress and the character so far.

I really like Darlene too. And the actress is wonderful, in my opinion. Just wondering -- have Darlene and Elon had any scenes together yet? If so, I must have missed them. It will be interesting to see what kind of dynamic those two have.

8 hours ago, ReddFoxx said:

I think working class is the right word for what the show is trying to portray, but the writers put Elon too high up the ladder to effectively sell the family as working class.

Have any of these writers ever been working class? It doesn't appear to be the case. They desperately need folks outside the gilded cage who are grounded in reality. They've already played fast and loose with people's ages and the logic of character backstories. Give us some reality lol.

9 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Have any of these writers ever been working class? It doesn't appear to be the case. They desperately need folks outside the gilded cage who are grounded in reality. They've already played fast and loose with people's ages and the logic of character backstories. Give us some reality lol.

This is why I always enjoyed that little group of have-nots who occasionally gathered for breakfast at Orphie Jean's during the first year of the show. Those folks seemed real and believable. So I was always hoping that group would expand to include a few other have-nots. Maybe the maitre d at the Country Club, maybe Rowena (the Dupree's cook), maybe the personal trainer at the Country Club (forget his name), and June the formerly homeless woman now a server at Orphie Jean's. I think this sort of "chosen family" of working class folks would blend into the fiber of BTG more effectively than introducing an entirely new working class biological family.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by Tisy-Lish

YES to more Have-Nots!!! We haven't had nearly as much brunches this year so far, but hope springs.

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Have any of these writers ever been working class? It doesn't appear to be the case. They desperately need folks outside the gilded cage who are grounded in reality. They've already played fast and loose with people's ages and the logic of character backstories. Give us some reality lol.

Soap writers have forgotten what the working class looks like since wealth became a soap staple.

Darlene probably came from working class roots in the south and managed to find a good career as dispatcher that pays decently and probably married Elon when they were both working class. I view the Hawthornes as formerly working class that have worked their way up to middle/upper middle class... and sometimes they can look down on nepo-babies like Naomi.. even though Jacob and Luke (her sons) are techanically nepo-babies since they also became cops.

Perhaps the father/son conflict between Elon and Iziaiah could be as simple as Elon thinking becoming a cop will gurantee an income, pension, and steady employment while Iziaiah isn't about that life and wants to help others like he was helped (and I work in corporate America where a lot of my co workers that are black men and women say they get more chances/opportunities when they work for a YT person vs someone that is black so I can kind of see why Iziaiah could possibly turn to someone like Joey.. but I would love that to be a point of tension between Joey and Elon).

It's been mentioned that Darlene gets along with Anita, and i think it's due to Anita working her up in the social world from nothing so that gets Darlene's respect. I also think that if Darlene gave Eva half a chance, she'd grow to like and respect Eva.. who has had to go without and seems willing to work hard.

The show has done a terrible job of explaining the rift between Izaiah and Elon.