36 minutes ago, janea4old said:

I don't care.  I feel that murderers and rapists shouldn't be romantic leads.

They shouldn't be on the show anymore. The whole Dimera clan should've been written out long time ago.

Xander once again turning to violence. He should be in jail. Is he going to beat up Sarah when Xander finds out Sarah lied to him?

Edited May 19May 19 by Soapsuds

45 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

I think both of them have been given balanced, nuanced, and honest writing about who they both are, flaws and all, for months now. It's not so basic or black and white.

I agree. I like grey characters. But today veered to dark 

3 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

They shouldn't be on the show anymore. The whole Dimera clan should've been written out long time ago.

Xander once again turning to violence. He should be in jail. Is he going to beat up Sarah when Xander finds out Sarah lied to him?

Of course not. That's ludicrous 

I'm not a Philip fan, but Xander is a kidnapping, murderous thug!

I loathe Xander. I don't know why Sarah stays with him.

The Stephanie manuscript sex book ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Yawn...this is the best they can write for Stephanie?

I imagine Philip will refuse to identify Xander because he knows he orchestrated this mess and tanked his brother's marriage. Eventually I hope to see Philip and Xander reconciling their awful crimes against each other and restoring that brother bond. 

And Xander needs therapy. He was twisted into what he is by Victor's cruelty and has zero anger management skills.

Having said that I think this was more a gross writing choice than anything else. One punch would have sufficed for sure but they wanted to show us Sarah was "right". Never mind that she created this situation by helping Xander love his brother so the betrayal was far worse. If he'd heard the truth immediately he would have had Philip arrested and fired him. But Sarah wanted Philip to be her mole to control her husband at work. Who never needed it as he's run Titan just fine on his own before.

19 minutes ago, brisbydog said:

I agree. I like grey characters. But today veered to dark 

Of course not. That's ludicrous 

Agreeing with your agreeing, and I bet that any urge toward violence against Sarah is what will cause Xander to try to redeem himself.

Even though, as you mentioned the other day, I have enjoyed the buildup.  It seems like everyone easily forgave Philip for stealing from Xander.  And their defense was that Victor wanted his two sons to work together.  Until, finally, Xander exploded and realized that Victor wanted what he wrote in his will, days before his death.  If Philip had led an actual legal battle for the estate, then Xander might have capitulated.  But, Philip made him look like a fool.  Because Philip was too smug to simply ask Xander for what he thought he deserved. 

I was shocked/enthralled by how raw they allowed Xander to express his rage.  I don't think that would have been allowed before streaming, yet they show people with guns weekly on GH.  I also want to point out that there is still the inorganic nature that neither person in a fight can swear, that I always find distracting.

noted for the contrarians, that is not a defense for violence  -- I assume we are all of sound mind, and know right from wrong. - I also know it airs on network TV in other countries, so they still abide by network daytime standards. - blah blah blah

Edited May 20May 20 by j swift

Both Philip and Xander should be in jail, period.

-- I continue to enjoy DAYS post-Carlivati. These women have done a great job in refocusing the show.

-- It sounds nuts not to agree with "rapists and murderers shouldn't be romantic leads." But then you get characters like Xander and EJ, and you have to put an asterisk after that quote. I enjoy both characters far too much to want them off the show or thrown in jail. They're romantic leads, but you can't tell me they haven't faced consequences.

-- I think the Xander beatdown of Phillip was well-directed -- and in character. Some people here believe Xander went too far. Well, that's who Xander is, and we've seen that many times over these past years. He thought he had family, and then realized it was all a lie, so he resorted back to his animal roots.

-- The Stephanie Racy Book storyline is soooooo bad. I had to laugh that she couldn't find her manuscript in that 2x4 apartment.

3 hours ago, Bright Eyes said:

Kate being the one that Alex called was a nice surprise. The cut to her looking all sheek made me instantly get excited for her to get back into business mode. And the Jack reference from when she first came to town (on-screen) was inserted naturally which is always welcome. When they were talking about how much sex sells, I almost got the impression they were sizing each other up in a May/December type of way.

I am so pleasantly surprised at how the new writing team is approaching Kate. Towards the end of R*n's run, she faded right out, off contract, pouring coffee at the Brady Pub...and then somehow it turned around and she's back in suits, woven in and out of multiple storylines, and inching back towards the business world, while having her relationship with Roman being written maturely.

Loved Katie's reaction to seeing Philip beaten up and near death.

Just glancing through, it does remind me that I really need to catch up. Sounds like the new writing team have been off to a good start.

 

 

44 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

-- I continue to enjoy DAYS post-Carlivati. These women have done a great job in refocusing the show.

-- It sounds nuts not to agree with "rapists and murderers shouldn't be romantic leads." But then you get characters like Xander and EJ, and you have to put an asterisk after that quote. I enjoy both characters far too much to want them off the show or thrown in jail. They're romantic leads, but you can't tell me they haven't faced consequences.

-- I think the Xander beatdown of Phillip was well-directed -- and in character. Some people here believe Xander went too far. Well, that's who Xander is, and we've seen that many times over these past years. He thought he had family, and then realized it was all a lie, so he resorted back to his animal roots.

Thank you! I feel the exact same way. Xander and EJ are great villains. This moment between Xander and Philip has been building since November. It was ugly, it was horrible, but it was real. Not some Nickelodeon b.s. that this show has constantly served for years. Now, a big part of why I like these characters are the actors who portray them. They are dynamic, charismatic, and genuinely talented. They actually feel like the new Stefano and Victor, but without being carbon copies. They are their own messed up, villainous, bastards. There are multiple characters in their corner and against them at any given time. Both good and fellow bad people in the community praising and damning them. The show feels like a soap opera again. And crazy as it is to say, I'm even more excited to watch it then I am Beyond the Gates most days, and that's saying a lot.

As for Stephanie's book, they're keeping me intrigued wondering where it's going. Bringing in Kate was a genius move. However, I'm still Abigail Klein's biggest hater on this board. Generic Barbie is literally the Sofia Mattsson of DAYS to me, just a complete wash of an actress. However, I think her being a PR person is a damp squib of a profession and since we're stuck with her this could be a way of finally getting her away from her "successful firm."

32 minutes ago, DaytimeFan said:

I am so pleasantly surprised at how the new writing team is approaching Kate. Towards the end of R*n's run, she faded right out, off contract, pouring coffee at the Brady Pub...and then somehow it turned around and she's back in suits, woven in and out of multiple storylines, and inching back towards the business world, while having her relationship with Roman being written maturely.

Body and Soul was her lowest low, even worse than when she was poisoning apples or whatever trying to kill Chloe of all people. Philip returning was the best thing to happen to her character in ages. When both stories were happening simultaneously, you could literally see the difference in how much energy she put into performances from one scene to the next.

Edited May 20May 20 by Bright Eyes

49 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

Thank you! I feel the exact same way. Xander and EJ are great villains. This moment between Xander and Philip has been building since November. It was ugly, it was horrible, but it was real. Not some Nickelodeon b.s. that this show has constantly served for years. Now, a big part of why I like these characters are the actors who portray them. They are dynamic, charismatic, and genuinely talented. They actually feel like the new Stefano and Victor, but without being carbon copies. They are their own messed up, villainous, bastards. There are multiple characters in their corner and against them at any given time. Both good and fellow bad people in the community praising and damning them. The show feels like a soap opera again. And crazy as it is to say, I'm even more excited to watch it then I am Beyond the Gates most days, and that's saying a lot.

I agree with you on all of it. After what we got from RC for YEARS, seeing real soap is beyond refreshing. I like "romantic leads" who cannot be ignored.

51 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

Philip returning was the best thing to happen to her character in ages. When both stories were happening simultaneously, you could literally see the difference in how much energy she put into performances from one scene to the next.

Kate is definitely revived as a character, and a lot of the credit goes to Philip. JPL has been really good since his return, and I hope they keep him around.

9 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I agree with you on all of it. After what we got from RC for YEARS, seeing real soap is beyond refreshing. I like "romantic leads" who cannot be ignored.

Kate is definitely revived as a character, and a lot of the credit goes to Philip. JPL has been really good since his return, and I hope they keep him around.

In addition, no one seems to be eating the show right now. EJ is a great example. James Scott's EJ is one of my most hated characters, and that's nothing against the actor, because he was gorgeous and great in the part when he wasn't having a blinking fit, but the amount of episodes he racked up in his relatively short amount of time on the show is absolutely insane. Coming back to this show as a regular view last fall, I was prepared for that hatred to be further ignited, but I needn't have worried, because the only true albatross on the show is Leo, but he's not even on that much, he's just that awful.

Edited May 20May 20 by Bright Eyes

2 hours ago, DaytimeFan said:

I am so pleasantly surprised at how the new writing team is approaching Kate. Towards the end of R*n's run, she faded right out, off contract, pouring coffee at the Brady Pub...and then somehow it turned around and she's back in suits, woven in and out of multiple storylines, and inching back towards the business world, while having her relationship with Roman being written maturely.

This makes me want to skip ahead, as you know we both share that huge fondness for Kate.

1 hour ago, Bright Eyes said:

In addition, no one seems to be eating the show right now. EJ is a great example. James Scott's EJ is one of my most hated characters, and that's nothing against the actor, because he was gorgeous and great in the part when he wasn't having a blinking fit, but the amount of episodes he racked up in his relatively short amount of time on the show is absolutely insane. Coming back to this show as a regular view last fall, I was prepared for that hatred to be further ignited, but I needn't have worried, because the only true albatross on the show is Leo, but he's not even on that much, he's just that awful.

You just unlocked a core memory of how much James Scott would start blinking at times 😂. I genuinely enjoy Dan so much, I really don’t think about James Scott anymore except when the rape story came up because I vividly remember the scenes.

20 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

I really don’t think about James Scott anymore except when the rape story came up because I vividly remember the scenes.

My rationalization (for whatever its worth) is that I'll give a pass to a character who has both been recast and is now written by a different staff (again, I'm under the assumptive that we all know right from wrong).

One doubts the current writers want EJ to be a rapist, Julie to be prejudice, Philip to have one leg, or Xander to be a kidnapper.  But, that's what they inherited.  These are characters that resonate with the demo.  And, by soap justice standards, all evildoers receive justice, but doesn't always mean jail.

Edited May 20May 20 by j swift