32 minutes ago, All My Shadows said:

I think a major opportunity was missed in not having a more down-to-earth family to balance the Duprees.

I agree with this.  Say what you want about Passions, but they got it right when it came to the having core families - having one rich family and three middle class families.  The Duprees/Richardson family is just way too big.  You could've taken 4-5 characters out of that family and create another core, and poorer, family. 

28 minutes ago, All My Shadows said:

The “event” for Nicole so far is underwhelming, and I really wish they didn’t try to do this so early on in the show’s run. As others have mentioned, this was just another Dupree family gathering with some filler to make it seem like a big huge deal. I still feel like the show exists in a bubble, and I know everyone mentions how many extras there are and how nice the sets are, but Fairmont doesn’t feel like a real place in the real world yet.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t like what the show is depicting in regards to wealthy, bourgie black people vs. lower middle class black people. I think a major opportunity was missed in not having a more down-to-earth family to balance the Duprees.

In what some accused me of a long long long time ago of fanfic, this was one of my proposals and creations. A non-rich ordinary working black family as counterparts.

On 3/10/2025 at 8:00 PM, Mona Kane Croft said:

The only disappointing thing is a bit of lazy writing.  So now both Dupree daughters are/were married to cheaters, and both are revealed in the first three-weeks of the show.   It's a shame one of the daughters' marriages could not have been sound.  At least for a while.  Actually, I would have preferred the (now disputed) twin brother angle. Friggin' believe it or not, black husbands are capable of monogamy.   Why not demonstrate that???

On 3/10/2025 at 8:26 PM, Antoyne said:

It’s a soap. And we want the black characters to be treated the same as their white counterparts on other shows. Name a white lead that hasn’t cheated on their spouse. I don’t think it says anything about black people and monogamy and I say that as a black man.

Came here to say the same. Model minority representation might've been more critical in the days of the Cosby Show (which I loved) when we had less black programs on TV. But today where there are a whole swath, I think we have the space and freedom to show imperfect black characters.

If everyone on the show was a great human being, as to positively represent black people, it wouldn't be compelling television.

In soaps we have so few black characters and leads I get why positive representation matters.

Moreover I get that flawed white characters don't have the same representation pressures because they're a part of the majority/ in-power group. But again, I refer to my point above.

Edited March 14Mar 14 by Planet Soap

12 minutes ago, Toups said:

I agree with this.  Say what you want about Passions, but they got it right when it came to the having core families - having one rich family and three middle class families.  The Duprees/Richardson family is just way too big.  You could've taken 4-5 characters out of that family and create another core, and poorer, family. 

I'm going to disagree. Creating a poor family to balance the Duprees would have been the typical soap cliche. When it's done, it ends up with the families mixing and everyone has money anyway.

Look at the other soaps. Even if we don't see the wealth on screen because of budget cuts (lack of and small sets, no maids and servants and assistants, etc.), we're still supposed to believe they're worth a ton of money and are wealthy.That's true on Y&R, on GH, on BOLD, and on DAYS. The only question is who's wealthier.

So why can't BTG be about messy and wealthy Black people? You have people who don't make a lot of money, but why do they have to be from one core family? I don't think they do. I don't need to see an entire family that struggles to buy groceries.

I want BTG to do its thing. So far, I'm liking it.

1 minute ago, ranger1rg said:

I want BTG to do its thing. So far, I'm liking it.

I agree; it's very clear what this soap is meant to be about, so it shouldn't be surprising we're seeing just that.

I actually think they've taken pains to show working-class people (Mona, Dana/Eva, Vanessa's mother, the somnambulant Ashley and Derek). I just don't think that's enough, and I would bring in a real poor family at some point. I wouldn't mind it being tied in to Dana or Mona. I like Mona a lot.

Edited March 14Mar 14 by Vee

4 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I'm going to disagree. Creating a poor family to balance the Duprees would have been the typical soap cliche. When it's done, it ends up with the families mixing and everyone has money anyway.

Look at the other soaps. Even if we don't see the wealth on screen because of budget cuts (lack of and small sets, no maids and servants and assistants, etc.), we're still supposed to believe they're worth a ton of money and are wealthy.That's true on Y&R, on GH, on BOLD, and on DAYS. The only question is who's wealthier.

So why can't BTG be about messy and wealthy Black people? You have people who don't make a lot of money, but why do they have to be from one core family? I don't think they do. I don't need to see an entire family that struggles to buy groceries.

I want BTG to do its thing. So far, I'm liking it.

I was going to say It would be cool to see some income diversity which is a-typical of soaps today, but you make a good point.

The family is very large and we could do with certain characters split off or eliminated.

8 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I don't think they do. I don't need to see an entire family that struggles to buy groceries.

I said "poorer" and not "poor."  LOL I just think having 4-5 member middle or upper-middle class family would've been better.  We'll see in the long run (hopefully it will be a long run) if this becomes a bigger issue. 

The character "Mona" (pics here if anyone needs reference) 
https://wornontv.net/beyond-the-gates/mona-wilson/ 
Mona is friends with Ashley's mother Jan, and with Leslie, and we've seen them at the Orphey Gene's as the "non-wealthy" friends having coffee and chatting. (Edit, I see this was just mentioned in above posts while I was typing this).

Mona works for Nicole.  Now today, we learned that Eva had to run the Nicole award event by herself, because Mona is sick.  We saw no indication that Mona was sick, just that it was mentioned.

I wonder now if Leslie arranged for Mona to be temporarily ill, so that Mona would not be at the Nicole award event, so that Leslie could go there and not be caught by Mona?

Edited March 14Mar 14 by janea4old

This was one of my favorite episodes so far. I understand the criticism of another event so soon but I think that's very realistic when you compare it to the actual DMV area. On Real Housewives of Potomac there is always an event with a made up award as an excuse to throw a party. It helps remind me of the importance of the Dupree family in the area.

I went from not liking Martin and Smitty to really falling for them lately. The kids were actually the sweet spot that helped win me over. Those kids are great and the family unit as a whole gels really well. I also loved Martin's introduction to Eva. I love the quiet joy she expresses when interacting with what she thinks is her family. 

Everybody looked wonderful and I thought having Silk Press as a caterer was classic soap. Today's episode was mellow but important. I forsee another dynamic cliffhanger friday. I'm curious for next week if they planned for only 3 episodes or if it will throw off the episode rotation. We shall see.

I can't think of poor or rich when I see this. It's perfection. 💗

No offense to anyone, but the fact that my “lower middle class” family became a poor family that struggles to buy groceries is exactly my point. Not being rich does not make you poor. I obviously love Leslie, but idk I’m just not a fan of the part of the story that makes her jealous of the Dupree/Richardson wealth.

I think what I want to see is a haves/have-nots situation where the have-nots are not destructively desperate to become haves.

28 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I'm going to disagree. Creating a poor family to balance the Duprees would have been the typical soap cliche. When it's done, it ends up with the families mixing and everyone has money anyway.

Look at the other soaps. Even if we don't see the wealth on screen because of budget cuts (lack of and small sets, no maids and servants and assistants, etc.), we're still supposed to believe they're worth a ton of money and are wealthy.That's true on Y&R, on GH, on BOLD, and on DAYS. The only question is who's wealthier.

So why can't BTG be about messy and wealthy Black people? You have people who don't make a lot of money, but why do they have to be from one core family? I don't think they do. I don't need to see an entire family that struggles to buy groceries.

I want BTG to do its thing. So far, I'm liking it.

IMO, the one rich family/one not-rich family thing is a typical soap cliche because it works. Everyone being rich and wearing the latest fashions is the cliche to avoid, but that’s just me. Even if you take the socioeconomic angle out of it, show me one successful hour-long daytime soap that focused almost exclusively on one family. When the half-hours expanded in the 70s, they all added new families to fill their canvases. Some did a better job than others, but no soap went to an hour and ended up with 15 characters all belonging to the same family.

The show just lacks dimension for me, a dimension I thought we’d see. Even if it’s another wealthy family, show us another side of life beyond the gates. The Duprees don’t have a rival family? Everyone is at once in love with them and afraid of them?

Edited March 14Mar 14 by All My Shadows

How old is Nicole supposed to be? 

Watching today's episode confused me a bit. So it seems like Martin is gathering funds to potentially run for President which would make him at least 35. I could have sworn he was in his late 20s based on something that was said in an earlier episode, but I may have misunderstood or perhaps I'm just confused. Then, in the award video Nicole mentioned that she and Ted met at an AMA conference, which would mean that both were already in med school at least. So the earliest Nicole could have met Ted was at 22. Then, have a child. Even if this happened right away or by accident, if Martin is 35, that would make Nicole at minimum 57. 

This is something that has been throwing me off from the beginning with this soap. The "older" cast seem too young to all have the grown children that they do. I know it's a soap and you have to let some things slide, but it would be different if it was one child's age that seemed off, but I feel the age difference between some cast that are parent and child is so jarring. Martin makes more sense as Nicole and Dani's baby brother. I feel like Kat and Chelsea should be Nicole and Dani's eldest children not their youngest and even still I'm not completely sure how old they're supposed to be. 

I think it's a little soon to say the Duprees will not have any rival families. I think they just didn't start with the classical 'two families' setup.

Just now, GLATWT88 said:

How old is Nicole supposed to be? 

Watching today's episode confused me a bit. So it seems like Martin is gathering funds to potentially run for President which would make him at least 35. I could have sworn he was in his late 20s based on something that was said in an earlier episode, but I may have misunderstood or perhaps I'm just confused. Then, in the award video Nicole mentioned that she and Ted met at an AMA conference, which would mean that both were already in med school at least. So the earliest Nicole could have met Ted was at 22. Then, have a child. Even if this happened right away or by accident, if Martin is 35, that would make Nicole at minimum 57. 

This is something that has been throwing me off from the beginning with this soap. The "older" cast seem too young to all have the grown children that they do. I know it's a soap and you have to let some things slide, but it would be different if it was one child's age that seemed off, but I feel the age difference between some cast that are parent and child is so jarring. Martin makes more sense as Nicole and Dani's baby brother. I feel like Kat and Chelsea should be Nicole and Dani's eldest children not their youngest and even still I'm not completely sure how old they're supposed to be. 

Yeah... I think this is something a lot of us share with you. Nicole can become a great-grandmother in the coming years with the way everyone is aged.