46 minutes ago, YRBB said:

 

+1

 

Sigh.

 

Can we please stop using stories we've likely never seen to justify current crap writing? Pretty please? OK.

 

Brad in a cage gets constantly thrown around (just like Victor and the rats), like Bell didn't take the time to set up the story logically and quite realistically, addressing many details of how this came about, even if it was a bit extreme. Are we going to pretend there aren't countless victims of kidnapping in real life thrown into cages? (Perhaps not as nice ones, granted). 

 

"Killer" was a great twist resulting from years of really well-written soap.

 

Marge was a fun story, wonderfully acted, and again, carefully plotted.

 

The stories were outlandish, but the audiences accepted, even loved them, because they made sense in the world of the show.

 

The rest was utter crap.

 

A mask that not only slips on and completely responds to all facial movements, it's undetectable, and makes you have that person's height and voice too? Does it change your genitals as well, I wonder? It's not even remotely plausible.

 

And having Nick do that?

 

The presence of previous OTT stories or twists does not justify further character assassination.

 

+ 1

Didn’t someone here suggest it was Phyllis getting back at Victor for Marco? Using the knowledge she had of the murder? Screwing with her ex-nemesis Sharon? Exploiting Nick’s hate of his father? Throwing a wrench into her relationship with Summer? EDIT: Hiring a JT lookalike, which would have a nice symmetry with Victor’s Marco scheme? That could have been brilliant actually. Written correctly, of course, with many of the details changed and the reveal delayed for maximum tension and impact. And it could have been a way to separate Nick from his father and the Newmans that was organic.  It still would have been a surprise given how far Phyllis had *supposedly* come from her most psycho, Machiavellian years, and GT would have rocked it, giving her a purpose other than Billy’s plaything and messy town gossip.

 

I don’t know. Just Sunday morning spitballing.

Edited July 15, 20187 yr by Faulkner

7 hours ago, YRBB said:

 

+1

 

Sigh.

 

Can we please stop using stories we've likely never seen to justify current crap writing? Pretty please? OK.

 

Brad in a cage gets constantly thrown around (just like Victor and the rats), like Bell didn't take the time to set up the story logically and quite realistically, addressing many details of how this came about, even if it was a bit extreme. Are we going to pretend there aren't countless victims of kidnapping in real life thrown into cages? (Perhaps not as nice ones, granted). 

 

"Killer" was a great twist resulting from years of really well-written soap.

 

Marge was a fun story, wonderfully acted, and again, carefully plotted.

 

The stories were outlandish, but the audiences accepted, even loved them, because they made sense in the world of the show.

 

The rest was utter crap.

 

A mask that not only slips on and completely responds to all facial movements, it's undetectable, and makes you have that person's height and voice too? Does it change your genitals as well, I wonder? It's not even remotely plausible.

 

And having Nick do that?

 

The presence of previous OTT stories or twists does not justify further character assassination.

 

 

+100

 

Perspectively, this wouldn't work even if Mal used another character like Adam.  That's one helluva mask!

 

Besides, what's Nick's motivation?  He's gotten custody of Tumeric's spawn.  TGVN is apparently having health problems.  He has no stake in Newman Enterprises and he seems happy with Sharon.  🤔

 

 

Hell, even revealing that J.T. had a long-lost twin who was out to avenge his bro's murder would have been more logical.  And since Thad Luckinbill has a twin brother IRL, he wouldn't have had to return again for those scenes either.  Just hire Trent Luckinbill, write up an article in SOD where Trent and Thad interview each other about the craziness of one twin being hired to impersonate the other twin on a soap opera in the name of avenging the first twin's character's death, and be done with it.

 

I realize Mal thinks it would be awesome to see Nick journey to the "dark side" and become more Victor-like.  Trust me, though, it wouldn't.  Morrow doesn't have the acting chops.

Edited July 15, 20187 yr by Khan

1 hour ago, Khan said:

Hell, even revealing that J.T. had a long-lost twin who was out to avenge his bro's murder would have been more logical.  And since Thad Luckinbill has a twin brother IRL, he wouldn't have had to return again for those scenes either.  Just hire Trent Luckinbill, write up an article in SOD where Trent and Thad interview each other about the craziness of one twin being hired to impersonate the other twin on a soap opera in the name of avenging the first twin's character's death, and be done with it.

 

I realize Mal thinks it would be awesome to see Nick journey to the "dark side" and become more Victor-like.  Trust me, though, it wouldn't.  Morrow doesn't have the acting chops.

 

I could buy nick turning to the dark side if the story was well plotted and made sense. Nothing victor has done recently is enough for Nick to change. He's done far worse prior and Nick didnt. Give me a legit reason now. 

16 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

Nothing victor has done recently is enough for Nick to change. He's done far worse prior and Nick didnt. Give me a legit reason now. 

 

Agree.

 

The only legit reason I could accept (and that's if we had an actor who could play this turn in character convincingly) is if one of Victor's schemes were to result in the death of Victoria or Nikki.

Edited July 15, 20187 yr by Khan

49 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Agree.

 

The only legit reason I could accept (and that's if we had an actor who could play this turn in character convincingly) is if one of Victor's schemes were to result in the death of Victoria or Nikki.

 

Or Noah. I mean, it's not like adult Noah matters. I don't condone killing legacy characters. but if he was killed, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't be some great loss 

Edited July 15, 20187 yr by ajsp35801

Didn't watch......so are you all telling me it was Nick in a mask pretending to be JT? He has been scaring his mother, wife. sister and ex-wife? He isn't JT size or built..height.....if this doesn't get Mal fired nothing will. This is just stupid beyond words......this takes the cake!

This might be Y&R's shark jumping moment.

33 minutes ago, kalbir said:

This might be Y&R's shark jumping moment.

 

Depending on the wider feedback, ratings, and the views of the higher ups, it may not be THE jump-the-shark moment (I mean, take your pick from the last 12 years or so) but it may well be the moment those up top take a look and think “are you sure?”... 

Edited July 15, 20187 yr by UK LAW

40 minutes ago, UK LAW said:

 

Depending on the wider feedback, ratings, and the views of the higher ups, it may not be THE jump-the-shark moment (I mean, take your pick from the last 12 years or so) but it may well be the moment those up top take a look and think “are you sure?”... 

I have been waiting for you to jump back into the discussion now that it's been almost a year since Mal took over writing. 

 

7 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Agree.

 

The only legit reason I could accept (and that's if we had an actor who could play this turn in character convincingly) is if one of Victor's schemes were to result in the death of Victoria or Nikki.

 

6 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Or Noah. I mean, it's not like adult Noah matters. I don't condone killing legacy characters. but if he was killed, it wouldn't matter. It wouldn't be some great loss 

 

Y'all are spot on.  IF this story were to work, there would have to be something this drastic to make it halfway believable. 

 

On ‎7‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 7:51 PM, edgeofnik said:

I still think Mariah/Kyle could work - they actually have unforced chemistry. Plus Mariah/Snowflake scenes are always entertaining. I think that's the only time I actually like HK! 

 

As far as the outrage over Monday (US) reveal. Please. This is a show that had Brad in cage, Tyrone as a white man, carved "Killer" on David's head, PIII fake his death for 20+ yrs/ship his blood from Down Under,  and doppelgangers running around town during past 25+ years (Kay, John, Jack, Patty, Phyllis, Lauren, etc.)

 

While the method on the reveal is weak, the scenes that follow sound good enough to make me tune in again. That's two straight days! I know it won't last. 

Mariah and Tessa will work.  Now that Hilary is leaving please find others (not Kyle and Summer) to dump Mariah on.  Please keep the bully or poor thing can't find love or whoever she is now away from characters I like. 

Edited July 16, 20187 yr by celine12

 

15 hours ago, Taoboi said:

I have been waiting for you to jump back into the discussion now that it's been almost a year since Mal took over writing. 

 

That’s very kind to say, though I’m not sure how much I can offer other than my opinion 🙈😂

 

My opinion, though, is that Mal is a square peg in a round hole. There’s obviously something to him otherwise he wouldn’t have over 35 years in soaps and drama (and across several continents) but when you’re dealing with a show that (at least at one point) had such a unique, defined identity, it doesn’t often work to try take a surgeon’s apparatus to it.

 

That applies to Lyn Marie Latham trying to model it on Knots Landing or any prime time soap.

 

To Maria Arena Bell modelling the shows style and casting policy on ABC.

 

To Jill Farren Phelps who took a rusty hammer to the show’s production and sound. I say hammer because it was useful for a while on Guiding Light nearly 30 years ago and complimented by some very good writers.

 

To Charles Pratt Jr who took what did NOT work in that year he wrote for All My Children and did the exact same thing.

 

To Mal Young now and primarily the highers up at both Sony and CBS who are complicit in this 12 year move to fundamentally change the fabric of the show. 

 

It’s like state-sponsored criminality.

 

I’ll never completely leave the show but at the moment, I dip in and out when something looks like it could be interesting. And whatever was said regarding the period Sally Sussman and Kay Alden wrote the show, I found there was something that kept me coming back.

 

Edited July 16, 20187 yr by UK LAW