Members frequentsoapfan Posted January 10, 2013 Members Share Posted January 10, 2013 Yes I keep reading by a certain few Branco hyped trolls that Noah should be hooked up with Rafe(I don't even know he exists on the show anymore). Or that Morgan needs to come back to GH as gay and hook up with Felix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 10, 2013 Members Share Posted January 10, 2013 To be fair, you see the same thing, online anyway, when they discuss male characters who are paired with someone with a woman who they have no chemistry with... *edit* I already see that was mentioned. I find both pretty annoying. I do think sometimes it's done purposefully, maybe even more so with the guys--I know the main draw is eye candy for women but when you have guys on--worse case offenders like Carlentini's OLTL or DAYS and Passions particularly under JER--who seem to hang out together constantly with their shirts off (which of course is what guys--gay or straight--do ALL THE TIME in real life), you have to wonder about what they're going for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 10, 2013 Members Share Posted January 10, 2013 At the moment soaps do a terrible job with the majority of new to the canvas youth characters, gay or straight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 10, 2013 Members Share Posted January 10, 2013 This really annoys me--but I have to say bringing Morgan on as gay, or better Lucas (I think that was his name) who *is* gay does make some sense, simply because having a token gay character on the canvas of a soap does leave him in a basically eternal supporting role. On the other hand having two gays on a soap who are bound to pair up cuz there's no one else (except maybe a day player) is not much better, and it's gonna be a long time till we see more than that. While I do see why having bisexual characters, particularly as written in the current state of soaps is problematic, it would at least add a bit more interest. One reason I like the underated Kevin Sheffield storyline on AMC is that, while it was obvious they weren't ready to have him in a serious romance (I know he dated some random waiter), and it was largely about his coming out--they did still manage, within the parameters they were allowed by the networks (and apparently it was a story ABC was very worried about) to deal with more than just his parents not accepting him by doing the "deprogramming" story, etc. That may be a bit dated now (though it seems to be back in the news for some awful reason) and probably wouldn't be allowed by current daytime execs, but it did at least take the story in a different, more interesting direction. (which is, I am sure, what Frank Valentini thought Dena Higley was doing when he got so righteous about people disapproving of her making Daniel Coulson a psycho gay serial killer...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted January 10, 2013 Members Share Posted January 10, 2013 When you put it that way, it seems like the portrayal of gay characters has followed the same trajectory as the portrayal of black characters. Even though the "numbers" have gotten better, the writing has fallen in quality. On the whole "so-and-so should be gay" phenomenon, I think of all the times somebody wanted Kevin Sheffield to come back to Pine Valley just like they wanted Billy Douglas to return to Llanview. Then of course there's the mythical Gay C.J. Roberts who was always just about to return to OLTL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 I was one of those (who wanted Kevin back...) But I get what you're saying. Still, at least Broderick's team made some slow attempts to integrate him into the canvas--his friendship with Kelsey (which was very realistic IMHO even her inevitable crush), being an honourary Cortland, going to PVU, and sticking around for over a year (I think Michael Delaney's cute doctor boyfriend disappeared soon after he died... Chris? Daniel McDonald who played him was a Broadway actor who died way too young of a brain tumour). Billy of course was groundbreaking--and made me a regular OLTL watcher at the age of 12 when I saw an add for his storyline during AMC one day--and the network prob wanted him off straight away, but there wasn't much reason for him to stick around or come back really. But yeah, I think the problem is probably true of minorities in general. At least now soaps are less afraid now to pair couples up interacially, so it's not quite as limited, but... (though this sometimes seems to be reverting too as soaps have increasing difficulty doing anything execs see as even slightly controversial) Has ANYONE--a writer, an actor, ANYONE--ever actually said that CJ was meant to be gay or is that just some fanfic thought that somehow took a huge life of its own? I mean I do buy the fact that Tomlin or someone initially wanted Rex to be a biexual con artist--the scenes with him eyeing Seth, etc, made it seem obvious they at least briefly thought about it, but... CJ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 I think there was far more potential in bringing back a recast Billy (especially if Joey was around) than CJ. CJ always seemed like some type of generic fanfic idea, aren't we clever for having someone who was Tina and Cord's son, even though this is meaningless, since Tina and Cord will barely ever appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 I think CJ became a sort of unicorn. He was whatever somebody wished him to be. I always shook my head at the calls for CJ to return because the character of Sarah was such a repeated failure. Just imagine the male version of "Flash." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 The worst was when people kept saying that deadly dull Cutter should be CJ. Yes, because there's nothing better than having CJ as trying to rape his mentally ill cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 CJ was best left to some writer of the PP future who could potentially do something interesting with him. OLTL males on the whole were rather generic and redundant during the show's final years. I imagine a guy somewhere between Jared/Cutter and Joey (the Tina and the Cord in him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 People said the actor should have been brought in as CJ. Once he was brought in as Cutter, that kind of made things null and void Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 I think people were saying he should still be revealed as CJ even after he'd been Cutter for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 If Joey were on at the time, it could make some sense. As to your second point--isn't that how a ton of soap writing has been done the past decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yes. It's cheap-ass fanfic writing. And it never works. What a twist - you're Eileen Siegel's second cousin. We still don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 11, 2013 Members Share Posted January 11, 2013 Right, the last thing people needed was another typical guy that age on the canvas. Wasn't Paul originally meant to be (when he was played by that horrible actor who had the hideous scene on AMC drunk with Babe) gay and CJ's navy lover or something? Surely that was all fan speculation as well? But look! It shows that they know their soap history and are integrating new characters to the canvas so that we HAVE to care! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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