You said it, this isn't about the weather, this is about Y&R bleeding viewers like a person whose been under the guillotine! And this isn't a sudden loss, this has been developing for a year. Y&R has lost what, a million viewers, in the last 365 days? It's at a 3.0, that's a dramatic drop.

DAYS is doing exactly what I said it would be doing back in September, failing. The reboot has done nothing for the show. It just keeps dropping.

GH is suffering from its lead in for sure.

B&B is holding its own because it's easy to watch and relatively enjoyable.

If GH, a 49 year old show, is suffering from it's lead in, you are admitting it's garbage or there is no interest. No? When a show has to rely on an audience too "lazy" to change the channel, we have a problem. There is a reason fans are tuning out! Anyone who wants to watch GH knows it exist and what time it comes on. There simply is no urgency, and I can't blame the fans who've tuned out. One disappointing regime after another! Brions Frons is gone, so what's the excuse now? Valentini and his boo, Ron, are a horrible clown act that have never been suited to helm a soap. I am, however, a bit shocked that these two have been able to control themselves as long as they have. The male characters have not found reasons to randomly take off their shirts. This is really all this two-headed clown can offer me, shirtless men!

ANDREA

Looks like the Cartini ratings spike was nothing more than a dead cat bounce.

If GH, a 49 year old show, is suffering from it's lead in, you are admitting it's garbage or there is no interest. No? When a show has to rely on an audience too "lazy" to change the channel, we have a problem. There is a reason fans are tuning out! Anyone who wants to watch GH knows it exist and what time it comes on. There simply is no urgency, and I can't blame the fans who've tuned out. One disappointing regime after another! Brions Frons is gone, so what's the excuse now? Valentini and his boo, Ron, are a horrible clown act that have never been suited to helm a soap. I am, however, a bit shocked that these two have been able to control themselves as long as they have. The male characters have not found reasons to randomly take off their shirts. This is really all this two-headed clown can offer me, shirtless men!

ANDREA

Did you read my follow up posts? Clearly not. I haven't been a GH fan for a long time, I've said the show is crap in my follow up posts, though I hasten to add that a disastrous lead in is doing the program no favours. Essentially, everything that could go wrong with and for GH has happened.

Ok I am interested. If the Revolution is cancelled AND GH gets it's timeslot for a period of time exactly how is that good. Does GH even fit in between the hyperactive Chew and Katie the queen of perky with it's gloom and doom and fascination with overaged testosterone?

Ok I am interested. If the Revolution is cancelled AND GH gets it's timeslot for a period of time exactly how is that good. Does GH even fit in between the hyperactive Chew and Katie the queen of perky with it's gloom and doom and fascination with overaged testosterone?

RC is also skilled at hollow and strangely bitter camp - that would fit in with The Chew. Maybe we can have some ha ha time with Tuc Watkins and that wooden Dr. Oz Daughter.

Even though Y&R hit a new low, the fact of the matter is that it does not exist in a vacuum. Since its ratings are still far above those of the other soaps, there is zero danger of cancellation in the near future.

It makes absolutely no logical sense to hype up OLTL's "great" ratings (and trash ABC for cancelling it) while pissing on Y&R's superior performance. If you think that AMC and/or OLTL were far superior shows (last year) to what Y&R currently is, then just say so, but please don't hold Y&R to some ridiculous double standard when it comes to ratings.

Actually, it makes perfectly logical sense to piss all over Y&R's ratings because their "superior performance," relative to where they started more 6 years ago, is disastrous. Y&R has been #1 since 1988, it's simply had more room to fall before it reached cancellation territory because it started out so much higher than the rest of the pack.

Now, if you compare this week's ratings to the same week's ratings in 2006 (courtesy of Toups' ratings archive) you'll see the numbers:

Y&R -1,518,000

B&B -1,412,000

DAYS -1,412,000

GH -1,412,000

Now, I was stunned as could be seeing that B&B, DAYS and GH have all lost the same amount of total viewers, in comparison to 6 years ago. And yet, I was not surprised that Y&R has lost the most. Y&R started the highest, so of course it was going to haemorrhage the most as it had the most to lose. Relatively speaking, DAYS and GH have lost the worst and B&B has actually had the softest losses.

What's troubling about Y&R's numbers is that they have been going down in large thuds over the last year. 2011 was a really bad year for Y&R, the show lost .7 of a point in that year alone! The other shows did not experience losses that big. The ultimate point is that the numbers are terrible across the board, no show is really doing well and we're watching these shows swirl down the toilet, Y&R's simply the last of the dregs to be flushed because it was the last to drop.

Edited March 30, 201213 yr by DaytimeFan

Actually, it makes perfectly logical sense to piss all over Y&R's ratings because their "superior performance," relative to where they started more 6 years ago, is disastrous. Y&R has been #1 since 1988, it's simply had more room to fall before it reached cancellation territory because it started out so much higher than the rest of the pack.

If you want to bring up this line of reasoning, then GH, AMC, and OLTL have all failed even more miserably than Y&R has. That's because those ABC soaps were the three most popular daytime soaps of the early-80s (a time when daytime viewership was higher than it has been in the last 24 years).

I wonder if anybody who thinks Y&R's 3.0 rating is "disastrous" likewise felt the same way when the ABC soaps started hitting those numbers. I guess those soaps deserved to be cancelled all those years ago, given how many viewers had already fled them.

Edited March 31, 201213 yr by Max

What debate? The ratings haven't changed since they arrived. If success is maintaining status quo or record low demos in 18to34 I guess they are a huge success. Sounds like more excuses for the Cartini team.

Thanks!!

here is one place the posters are saying OLTL characters brought in higher ratings...

http://www.deadline.com/2012/03/revolutions-renewal-chances-slim-after-series-lows-general-hospitals-look-better/

From what the ratings showed they did get a spike from the OLTL peeps, that's why this, is not remotely true

However, the following week when OLTL characters ate GH, the ratings tanked and badly. The crossovers were a massive failure no matter what FV/RC spin.

No matter what some spin it was anything but a failure

From what the ratings showed they did get a spike from the OLTL peeps, that's why this, is not remotely true

No matter what some spin it was anything but a failure

Or a success

It was touted by many as the salvation to GH and it's not made any impact at all. I actually thought it was a good idea until I found out it was going to be used to give story to the same tired set of GH characters. Of course it was not going to change anything. What they may have gotten was a short curiosity bump, and killing off Jake did more than that for a longer period of time. I'd argue it was Roberts short return that got the uptic as he did in 2006 .

Edited March 31, 201213 yr by JaneAusten

One reason for confusion is likely that some of the most hyped OLTL events caused a fall - that awful scene where Todd held Sonny at gunpoint, for instance. There was also the Friday with big declines, which some said was due to a DVR mixup.

One reason for confusion is likely that some of the most hyped OLTL events caused a fall - that awful scene where Todd held Sonny at gunpoint, for instance. There was also the Friday with big declines, which some said was due to a DVR mixup.

And the day McBain showed up was a low and all last week wasn't he all over screen.

I'm not saying it wasn't a valiant attempt to get a bump but it didn't accomplish it and I can't believe folks are trying to tout it as some great success. What on earth is so fascinating about telling the same dull played out stories for Jason and sonny. Franco didn't do a thing for the same reason so why would any of these people.

Or a success

It was touted by many as the salvation to GH and it's not made any impact at all. I actually thought it was a good idea until I found out it was going to be used to give story to the same tired set of GH characters. Of course it was not going to change anything. What they may have gotten was a short curiosity bump, and killing off Jake did more than that for a longer period of time. I'd argue it was Roberts short return that got the uptic as he did in 2006 .

That's what I think as well. Tristan Rogers and Emma Samms brought up the ratings in 2006 (with barely any publicity) and they did the same in 2012. Unfortuntately, they got the same sorry writing both times and viewers tuned right back out.

If you want to bring up this line of reasoning, then GH, AMC, and OLTL have all failed even more miserably than Y&R has. That's because those ABC soaps were the three most popular daytime soaps of the early-80s (a time when daytime viewership was higher than it has been in the last 24 years).

I wonder if anybody who thinks Y&R's 3.0 rating is "disastrous" likewise felt the same way when the ABC soaps started hitting those numbers. I guess those soaps deserved to be cancelled all those years ago, given how many viewers had already fled them.

Yes. Exactly.

DaytimeFan, I really applaud you for your consistency. I doubt those who cursed at ABC and bought Hoovers last year feel the same way.

Edited March 31, 201213 yr by Max