Members Max Posted October 16, 2011 Members Share Posted October 16, 2011 Sindacco, thanks for shedding some light on my comment. I honestly had no idea DOOL once had even worse production values than it does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Saving ATWT Posted October 17, 2011 Members Share Posted October 17, 2011 Thanks for the insignt into that GL year. It's too bad that the show crashed shortly after. Back then, a good story did matter and viewers were willing to network hop. Now, a doomed show is just doomed. I actually expected Y&R to go up with the death of AMC but no such luck. The Lewises sucked much like the Snyder clan on ATWT. DOOL has always had the WORST production values in Soapland. Every set is trapped in the 80s. I was recently watching old 2007 episodes of ATWT and realized that the show had the best production values out of any soap before the budget cuts. The new sets and lighting looked great, and I will give Goutman credit for making WORLD look amazing. (Watching those shows actually made me hate Goutman a little less). The quality rivaled Y&R which has always gotten so much praise. I have to wonder why PGP let him spend the money knowing full well that they wanted out of the business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Saving ATWT Posted October 17, 2011 Members Share Posted October 17, 2011 Lead in doesn't always matter. ATWT followed Y&R in some markets but still hit lows of 1.8 HH. B&B and Y&R rise and fall at different times. The only time a lead in matters is when you are talking millions of viewers but not a few % points, and this is the case with the CHEW. Also, with unemployment at probably closer to 20%, food shows are doomed to fail. Many daytime viewers are out of work and can't afford new or expensive products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pine Charles Posted October 17, 2011 Members Share Posted October 17, 2011 OLTL is majorly boring. I'm all for humor & satire, but the show comes across more as a bad parody. It also doesn't help that there are some truly atrocious actors on that show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members aMLCproduction Posted October 17, 2011 Members Share Posted October 17, 2011 Once the Irene mess started to come on I tuned out. Have not watched OLTL in 6 weeks and I don't miss it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Saving ATWT Posted October 18, 2011 Members Share Posted October 18, 2011 I like the satire element. It's like RC saying 'romance/sentimentality are dead, we have no budget, the genre is over and we are the anti-soap'. I, too, am sometimes bored by OLTL but overall don't consider it a bad show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members koos Posted October 18, 2011 Members Share Posted October 18, 2011 IMO, ATWT looked AWFUL. The lighting made everybody and everything look pastel. It looked like a makeup commercial or something. It was totally unnatural-looking, and every bit as bad as Days' piss-yellow lighting before Ed Scott. The sets weren't bad, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Saving ATWT Posted October 20, 2011 Members Share Posted October 20, 2011 I'm talking about the pre-2008 cuts and the new production model. In the 2007 episodes I was watching, the make up, lighting and sets look every bit as good as Y&R. Goutman always made a point lighting up the windows, too. I especially liked the quality of the original Lakeview set--rich, lush wood with old school touches. I agree everyone looked like hell after the budget cuts. It was all close up shots to avoid showing sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaytimeFan Posted October 20, 2011 Members Share Posted October 20, 2011 No American soap can ever claim to rival Y&R's production values. Y&R, which is a shite show now, is still the best looking show in daytime and always has been. You could have given any soap an extra $10 million a year and they still wouldn't have looked as good as Y&R, the original production model was golden and they wisely stuck with it, more or less, from day one. It's the only show that comes even close to the standards set by the UK soaps which are in a whole other league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted October 20, 2011 Members Share Posted October 20, 2011 I think RC's idea of satire is more like HA HA FUNNY ME LAUGH NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaneAusten Posted October 20, 2011 Members Share Posted October 20, 2011 Here is why THe Chew makes no sense again. Granted I guess comparing syndication to a network show is not really comparable but just look at the highest rated shows in syndication. I guess Judge Judy, Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil, and Regis and Kelly are the only shows that air exclusively in daytime. BUt those CBS comedies are monsters and Law and Order still rocks in syndication no matter how dreadful the ratings on NBC are for SVU these days. I still wonder why ABC. NBC CBS doesn't try airing repeats of their primetime shows during the day. They used to do that long long ago. http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/19/syndicated-tv-ratings-wheel-of-fortune-on-top-dr-oz-top-talk-show/107885/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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