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OLTL Discussion for the week of August 15th

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If she had the little boy, then why lie about it to Viki? Why not just tell her that it was Ted Clayton's son as she claimed Tina was?

Who wants to bet Ted Clayton never gets mentioned in this story, lol?

If she wanted a better life for Tina, which is why she gave her away, why wouldnt she give up the boy as well?

Simple. Victor Jr. and Victor probably shared a birthmark that someone like Viki might've recognized.

Even if one can buy that he can recite facts back from hearing, you cant fake flashbacks or the emotional investment that goes along with them. There are too many minute details that simply can not be covered within such a short time span. Makes no sense at all.

Exactly.

Lord, it's the "Two Romans" bullshit all over again, lol!!!

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Don't bother trying to follow it - RC will rewrite it in a few months anyway.

He's already rewritten the story as originally RH insisted he was catatonic for 8 years and then he changed it to (cue the violins) tortured non-stop for 8 years.

Plus Tomas insists he was sent to MURDER RH (um before the memory transfer) yet today she was plotting to swap memories and twins out.

Oy vey.

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Who wants to bet Ted Clayton never gets mentioned in this story, lol?

Oh sh.... Completely forgot about him! LOL! Good one, Khan.

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Her concealing her pregnancy has nothing to do with what I'm asking, though.

Sorry, alexisfan, I was answering another question posted upthread.

Viki chimes in; which is Todd and which one is Victor Jr.?

Oh, if only RH were Victor Jr.....

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When did that happen because I never got that from anything Malone wrote.

Gonna disagree with this one. Nothing was more insulting than that rapemance. I doubt Malone would have ever gone there.

The whole Ireland I will aid Patrick to PLEASE Marty was all about Todd seeking Marty's approval. Malone even talked about how Marty was Todd's road to redemption.

Susan Haskell confirmed she and RH blocked Malone from doing a real romance for Marty and Todd which is far worse than amnesiac Marty falling for Todd. In fact, Marty falling in love with a Todd she didn't know raped her was a homage to Malone who said T&M were soulmates parted by one act of violence. Remove the act of violence and those two belonged together was Malone's take.

Oh, if only RH were Victor Jr.....

Which would fit why RH been acting more sweet and child-like than TSJ.

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The whole Ireland I will aid Patrick to PLEASE Marty was all about Todd seeking Marty's approval. Malone even talked about how Marty was Todd's road to redemption.

Susan Haskell confirmed she and RH blocked Malone from doing a real romance for Marty and Todd which is far worse than amnesiac Marty falling for Todd. In fact, Marty falling in love with a Todd she didn't know raped her was a homage to Malone who said T&M were soulmates parted by one act of violence. Remove the act of violence and those two belonged together was Malone's take.

I never read anything Susan Haskell said about that, so okay on that. The thought of it is grossing me out and this just confirms my comments earlier about actors not just playing along or collecting a check for the hell of it. I'm glad that never came to fruition. Now that I think about, I do recall something being said about it, but just didn't realize to that extent.

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I rememebr it seemed as if they were playing with it and back then I actually liked Todd and Marty together ph34r.png I thought RH and SH had some really good chemistry

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This is stupid, and the continuity holes are gaping.

So they're saying that Irene raised Victor, Jr., while Todd went off with Peter. If that were the case, Tina would have remembered all this -- as she was raised by Irene up until the time Irene died when Tina was a teenager. However, I distinctly remember when Todd was revealed to be Victor's son, Tina saying that she had no memories of Irene having had another child; and that was played off by the whole premise of Todd being raised by other people. Who the hell doesn't remember their life as a teenager? How are they going to explain Irene having Victor Jr., while she was also raising Tina (who previously said she doesn't remember her mother having another child?)

Also, they're saying that Victor Jr. was given all of Todd's memories via hearing Todd recall his life. So, assuming TSJ is Victor Jr., does that mean that Tumbo recalled those very specific details that Victor Jr. gave to Starr when she quizzed him about things that only Todd would know? And it was a petty/throwaway tidbit (about Suzanne and one of Starr's old reptiles), not anything major, that he recalled in explicit detail that proved to her that TSJ was in fact Todd. Don't tell me Tumbo relayed something that petty for Victor Jr. to adopt to his memories. Not to mention those execution scenes. I don't care if Victor Jr. did *hear* Todd's life story, when his own life was flashing before him during execution, he wouldn't have recalled the visual imagery pre-2003.

I call bullsh*t on all this.

And Dear Lord, seeing those two Tumbo's in one scene together was creepy.

Crazy to type but Paul Ryan's implanted microchip makes more plausible sense than this mess

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Both retcons are a ludicrous way out of terrible OOC writing for a longstanding character. The difference here is OLTL has a long history of doing crazy [!@#$%^&*] with the Lord family.

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I rememebr it seemed as if they were playing with it and back then I actually liked Todd and Marty together ph34r.png I thought RH and SH had some really good chemistry

RHTodd and Marty wub.png

I remember this story well,but I just never thought of Todd and Marty together, I mean really together. I was rooting for Todd to get back to Blair.

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I remember this story well,but I just never thought of Todd and Marty together, I mean really together. I was rooting for Todd to get back to Blair.

Haha, I hated Blair back then. I didnt like Marty either but preferred Todd with her over Blair

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I never read anything Susan Haskell said about that, so okay on that. The thought of it is grossing me out and this just confirms my comments earlier about actors not just playing along or collecting a check for the hell of it. I'm glad that never came to fruition. Now that I think about, I do recall something being said about it, but just didn't realize to that extent.

I'll try to find the interview for you as it's from the 90s.

Anyhoo, Cheap21 posted some of Malone's T&M scenes and it's very much about needing Marty to like him. He left Blair behind and chose Marty because Malone said Marty would always be the only one that could redeem him. That's why rapemance makes twisted sense to me. Todd saw this chance for Marty to know him minus the rape memories and he played WHAT IF... if SHE could really come to like me, then I know there is really good in me deep down.

Now what I do absolutely consider totally out of character was RC's use of the gang rape flashback as some sort of twisted aphrodisiac. That flashback should have stopped Todd cold, totally turned him off and made him run from Marty begging him to screw her. That was the more fitting end to rapemance, Todd waking up from his psychotic, fantasy break with the gang rape memories flooding him.

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When she told Victor that she was pregnant the second time, he cut her off without a dime.

I never thought I'd say this, but that child-raping bastard never would've done that. If anything, Victor would've stolen the boys from Irene the minute they were born.

Unless, of course, Victor had good reason to suspect those kids weren't his. ;-)

When he threatened to expose them, Irene contacted Tomas and ordered him to kill Todd, saying he was an enemy of the state.

But didn't Tomas explain that he was instructed to bring him back alive?

Irene then arranged for Victor Jr. to resume Todd's life. She even gave Victor the same scar as Todd, making her sons identical in every way possible.

I guess she did this - she did ALL this, in fact - in order to give Victor, Jr. the life he should have had. If we presume TSJ is the real Todd, however, then it would explain why he showed up in town looking like Walker Flynn, something Irene probably had not anticipated.

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To provide for herself and Victor Jr., who was unable to care for himself, Irene got involved with the CIA.

Me: So I guess selling cosmetics door-to-door was out of the question?

Mama Khan: And I guess gf ain't heard of government disability checks either.

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