Judge Judy seems to be an exception, along with a few others like The View, and some of the shows like Dr. Oz. Most of the new attempts seem to stay stuck in neutral or go lower and lower.

It matters if the programming is repetitive if the media constantly parrots the line that people have options, as I often feel like that gives some of the lazier cable channels too much credit. It's basically an option to watch the same show on a different network. People can now just watch a handful of repeats elsewhere instead of turning the TV off or leaving it on a network channel as background noise.

I do think if the networks had better shows, then people would stay with them. It's not like they're seeing anything good on cable the last few years. But no one cares now. Look at how CBS has let The Price is Right, one of their most popular daytime shows, rot away.

Or the networks could start showing reruns again. They did that for most of the 60's and early 70's. I think the daytime lineup is probably going to be reruns within about 5-10 years.

I simply cannot relate to your perspective on this topic. Since when is daytime is supposed to be high drama and full of depth? It isn't and has never been, there has always been a variety of good and bad programming much like in prime time. There is no criteria for what are "better shows." Just because you don't like a genre or a specific program, it doesn't mean that other people don't enjoy it. Which show is better Judge Judy or Law & Order or Dr. Oz or General Hospital? People are not entertained by the same program so they will change the channel to watch something that you consider junk. It isn't about parroting anything, the ratings show this. There are lots of people who watch home improvement and DIY shows on HGTV during the day and it is highly unlikely that they will watch anything that the network airs.

As for The Price is Right, most game show fans will tell you that just about every game show dies a natural death, sometimes the new host isn't a hit, sometimes the games become repetitive. It has nothing to do with what CBS has let happened. It is a cyclical natural process which why there are few hysterics when cancellation comes for one show. Game shows are resilient. They always revamp and come back years down the line. Court shows which I love are also very similar in their ability to regenerate over time. Soaps now need to figure out how to do the same.

Based on how horribly that show is put together, apparently the LMAD people/CBS agree.

I don't think LMAD is the greatest game show, but I also don't think that people who enjoy it are dumb.

Oprah going off the air seems to have had the effect of pulling the queen bee out of a hive (no pun intended) and the confusion has made people in the industry absolutely BSC. Like Ann said, a lot of soap fans have been terribly myopic but what's happened to these shows is just a piece of a far bigger and more confusing picture. For instance the Katie Couric thing isn't about replacing GH, it's about replacing Oprah. GH is just collateral damamge.

I'm glad you brought up Oprah going off the air. I wouldn't be surprised if losing the ad revenue from Oprah played a role in ABC's decisions to cancel OLTL and AMC and find cheaper programming.

I think repeats on cable these days almost serve a different purpose then they used to. I think for example the Law and Order reruns opened that

show up to a differnt audience and increased the popularity of the original show. L&O was a show in the basement of the ratings until they started showing reruns on I think A&E. Once that happened the show seemed to catch on and gain momentum and increase in popularity.

The same thing has happened to some extent with NCIS which had good ratings, but an additional shot in the arm once the repeats started on USA.

Edited May 24, 201114 yr by Ann_SS

I simply cannot relate to your perspective on this topic. Since when is daytime is supposed to be high drama and full of depth? It isn't and has never been, there has always been a variety of good and bad programming much like in prime time. There is no criteria for what are "better shows."

It depends on your idea of better. To me, better means decently put together and entertaining. I can go to GSN and watch several game shows that weren't exactly deemed high drama or full of depth in the 70's or 80's and enjoy them. The same goes for when they used to show repeats of some of the old talk shows, like Mike Douglas.

To me there isn't a lot of that on network daytime now. I think most of it is dross - poorly put together and thrown at viewers as if no one cares, based on some random person they assume will be a draw, or based on a way to fill up a time slot without taking a lot of money. It's a self-defeating process because when these things are done so cheaply, few people watch them, and more and more viewers go elsewhere.

As for The Price is Right, most game show fans will tell you that just about every game show dies a natural death, sometimes the new host isn't a hit, sometimes the games become repetitive. It has nothing to do with what CBS has let happened.

Unless CBS had nothing to do with Drew Carey's hiring, I think it has a lot to do with what they let happen. The show was a solid success for years and then they hire a man who has no screen presence, who can't connect with contestants, and who is in the middle of an increasingly ramshackle show that is now going to focus on "variety" instead of game show format. TPIR was able to appeal to 2-3 generations, even those who were supposedly uninterested in daytime TV, with their old format and with a good host. CBS threw this away once Bob Barker left. That's more like a slow suffocation than a natural death.

Game shows are resilient. They always revamp and come back years down the line.

That was when someone made an effort on them. No one seems to care now. That's the biggest problem with network TV in daytime. It's also why I can't automatically believe that these other shows will be a success just because they aren't soaps.

I don't think LMAD is the greatest game show, but I also don't think that people who enjoy it are dumb.

Neither do I, but the way CBS treats it, I think they would disagree with us.

As for The Price is Right, most game show fans will tell you that just about every game show dies a natural death, sometimes the new host isn't a hit, sometimes the games become repetitive. It has nothing to do with what CBS has let happened. It is a cyclical natural process which why there are few hysterics when cancellation comes for one show. Game shows are resilient. They always revamp and come back years down the line. Court shows which I love are also very similar in their ability to regenerate over time. Soaps now need to figure out how to do the same.

TPIR didn't die a natural death. Had Bob Barker not retired even at 90 he would still be the ringmaster of a thriving show. CBS hired a no talent nothing with no personality, a guy who seems to be the walking dead to host what was a carnival type show. They killed it, it didn't die on its own. Drew Carey destroyed the show, lets call it the way it is. Drew Carey has the uncanny ability to make Charlie Rose seem bubbly.

http://www.examiner.com/soap-opera-in-national/talking-head-brian-frons-is-at-it-again

LOL @ talking head

Random question: Anyone know when the first episode will air with material post-cancellation news? I'm interested in seeing whether we can tell in the actor's faces or performances, etc.

I believe for oltl it may have been yesterday with Blair singing the old theme and saying it was too depressing. But since actors don't always shoot on the same day and scenes are edited, it may be a little difficult to pinpoint the first post-cancellation scenes for everyone.

Well I know now what is taking Oprah's timeslot in my area starting in Sept.: Dr. Oz show

Anderson Cooper is taking over here in D.C.

Im getting more news here in NY. YAY! 3 hours of news!

Im getting more news here in NY. YAY! 3 hours of news!

In LA, there's speculation that they will have news as well to fill Oprah's time. That means local news from 3pm-6pm and World News from 6-6:30pm. Too much!

I find it ironic that in Chicago, Oprah will be immediately replaced tomorrow with a local lifestyle show. Chicago won't get to enjoy any reruns through September like most of the country.

According to CNN 83 markets are getting Dr Oz in Oprah's slot. In Baltimore, Ellen will be on during Oprah's slot.

In LA, there's speculation that they will have news as well to fill Oprah's time. That means local news from 3pm-6pm and World News from 6-6:30pm. Too much!

I recently read a report regarding last month's syndication upfronts, stating that Dr. Oz had been secured by ABC 7 here in the Los Angeles area to take the Oprah 3pm time slot. Not sure if anything has changed since then... Currently, only ABC 7 and KCAL 9 (an independent that happens to be owned by CBS) have local news at 4pm. NBC & CBS stations start at 5pm. They all start their network news at 6:30, actually.

Susan Lucci on The Talk tomorrow! Here's the promo:

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Edited May 26, 201114 yr by Jonathan

Again?? Cool.

Again?? Cool.

Yup. The last time she was on, she was promoting AFIB. This time, she's promoting her book and cancellation.