YIKES I'm sure DM and DW will bring it but this is NOT something I want to see.

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Angie's baby is stillborn. Brot finds an abandoned baby. Jesse decides to tell Angie that baby is hers. The baby is Maya's (the new young, pretty Chandler maid).

Kreizman calls this the most emotional story they've told so far on AMC; it wasn't an easy decision - pros & cons were weighed. They wanted the audience really invested in the happiness and the baby here for impact. Jesse takes Angie to the place they got married in back in 1983. She goes into labor. Something isn't right with the baby. Brot arrives on the scene. Jesse is holding the dead baby when he hears a baby cry. It's a baby that was left in Brot's patrol car. A desperate Jesse decides he has to spare Angie. Morgan and Williams are over the moon about the material. Morgan notes if Angie could see this deception wouldn't have worked. As is, she's in heaven, so happy as Jesse goes through the motions for her sake. There's a scene where Jesse returns to where he buried his child to beg for forgiveness (the cameramen were crying). Jesse wants the dead child to have the name Ellie, so convinces Angie to call the baby somehting else - they decide on Lucy. How long will this secret stay hidden? With David around who knows...

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by alexisfan07

My thinking is, if they had to kill the baby, couldn't they have done it without Jesse lying to his wife, and Angie being totally clueless as to her own child dying?

A very raw story could have been their marriage imploding as a result of them not being able to cope with the death of their child, not this passing some other child ass as their child nonsense.

I've always though Angie and Jesse as a very realistic couple, who would do better with raw and gritty storylines, not sensationalistic nonsense. But this type of storytelling is what every soap is doing, so it's really no surprise.

I suppose if Jesse is tormented in every episode about his decision it could work, but I would hate for it all to come out and Jesse giving Angie the excuse "I did it for YOU....FOR US!" nonsense that soaps pour out these days. And you know soaps always sugarcoat this crap.

But I won't be watching regardless, so it doesn't matter. I'm just over stories where women are intentionally or unintentionally victimized, like not knowing her own child is dead.

It could be that the actual swap doesn't last that long, and they're dealing with the fallout relatively quickly. I think this will explode, in terms of Angie finding out in May. Which for a babyswap, isn't that bad.

I think better drama would have been the baby being born with some type of illness, and that slowly causing friction between Angie and Jessie. I can't tell you how many marriages I've seen fall apart when parents devote everything to their sick children, and no time at all to their marriage.

It happens, some parents just can't deal with having a sick child, and it often tears marriages apart. It would be interesting to see from Angie's eyes as well, as she's probably seen such cases being a doctor herself. But that's just me.

Jessie lying to Angie and passing off someone else's kid as their's makes me a bit uneasy.

+1.

K&S never think anything out, why would they start now? It amazes me people think this storyline will somehow be different. They don't do anything but suck

BUT IT HAS OBSTACLES!

Will Jesse be ousted from his job as chief of police and be sent to prison when it's revealed he's been passing off someone else's child as his own?

That's what SHOULD happen, but will AMC have the guts to go there? Probably not.

It could be that the actual swap doesn't last that long, and they're dealing with the fallout relatively quickly. I think this will explode, in terms of Angie finding out in May. Which for a babyswap, isn't that bad.

That would be awfully rushed though. If this story is going to hit all the emotional beats, it needs to build during May then come apart during July. Assuming the show hasn't been canceled.

My thinking is, if they had to kill the baby, couldn't they have done it without Jesse lying to his wife, and Angie being totally clueless as to her own child dying?

A very raw story could have been their marriage imploding as a result of them not being able to cope with the death of their child, not this passing some other child ass as their child nonsense.

I've always though Angie and Jesse as a very realistic couple, who would do better with raw and gritty storylines, not sensationalistic nonsense. But this type of storytelling is what every soap is doing, so it's really no surprise.

I suppose if Jesse is tormented in every episode about his decision it could work, but I would hate for it all to come out and Jesse giving Angie the excuse "I did it for YOU....FOR US!" nonsense that soaps pour out these days. And you know soaps always sugarcoat this crap.

But I won't be watching regardless, so it doesn't matter. I'm just over stories where women are intentionally or unintentionally victimized, like not knowing her own child is dead.

Exactly.

But again the same individuals justifying this garbage will be the same individuals happily bashing Jesse & Darnell in 6 months.

Watch.

In a healthy Daytime climate under good writers this MIGHT have been a good story but in Daytime's current climate where Minority Men exist solely to be constantly emasculated & Minority Women are concubines/placeholders for White Men?

Not a chance.

Will Jesse be ousted from his job as chief of police and be sent to prison when it's revealed he's been passing off someone else's child as his own?

That's what SHOULD happen, but will AMC have the guts to go there? Probably not.

It's what certain people have been hoping since the very day he got the job.

And that's exactly why this is NOT a J/A story because TPTB are clearly setting the minority characters up to fail. Again.

That would be awfully rushed though. If this story is going to hit all the emotional beats, it needs to build during May then come apart during July. Assuming the show hasn't been canceled.

True, May is a little early. Maybe Angie could get her sight back in May and start to notice something isn't right with the baby. That actually might be a good progression.

I'm still hard pressed to believe that more people would tune in to watch A&J (or anyone) struggle with raising a disabled child than any of the other kids. Spike and Ian are both only trotted out when their parents need drama, otherwise, they're insignificant.

In a healthy Daytime climate under good writers this MIGHT have been a good story

Yeah, this. This is basically how I feel. The few months of the story will probably throw water on the fire of hope that rages inside of me........yikes, did I write that?

True, May is a little early. Maybe Angie could get her sight back in May and start to notice something isn't right with the baby. That actually might be a good progression.

I'm still hard pressed to believe that more people would tune in to watch A&J (or anyone) struggle with raising a disabled child than any of the other kids. Spike and Ian are both only trotted out when their parents need drama, otherwise, they're insignificant.

People don't tune in for children. They tune in for the parents.

Are these the same cameramen who were inconsolable after watching Ryan and Greenlee coming face-to-face last year?

Seriously though I do hope DW can got it together for those scenes.

While the majority of viewers are not Rylee fans and I understand that most fans did not find Ryan and Greenlee coming face to face to be emotional/riveting/shocking. What I do not understand is you questioning the crew being emotional while watching those scenes and the upcoming A&J scenes. When you work on a soap you spend your work day creating these characters, crafting the stories, and watching the actors make it all come to life on set. The people that work behind the scenes spend long hours every day creating the lives of the people that the viewers tune in to see every day. Doing this they become invested in these characters and their stories, more so than a typical fan would

So what if it's a soap? That doesn't justify character assassination. J&A can have angst and drama without their baby dying. Saying it's a soap is a copout too

I guess AMC did not see the backlash Jake's death on GH is getting.

What happens if Maya gets her baby back? J&A get crapped on AGAIN

How exactly is this character assassination? When put in tragic and emotionally taxing situations people tend to not think things through and wind up acting in ways they typically wouldn't and doing things they wouldn't normally do. Imagine it... You bring your wife, who had gone blind so she can have this baby she's carrying, to the place when you got married. Your wife goes in to labor and gives birth to a still born baby Your wife has given up her vision to have this baby. Could you seriously tell her after all she's gone through to deliver this baby that it's stillborn?

As for the comment about the backlash from Jake's death on GH. These stories are planned months in advance and taped weeks in advance. These episodes are shot and in post. The Jake stuff did not air until this past week. With that kind of workflow do you really think what you suggest is possible?

I also highly doubt Maya would get her baby back. A&J would not be put through hell to get more pain and suffering at the end of the story. While it might end up looking like Maya will get the baby back I believe that A&J will prevail. In the big picture, they are legacy characters that are an established family. Who is Maya? A new character that will probably exit in the fall.

People already said in this thread, why not give the baby a birth defect or something. The baby doesn't have to be born healthy. I'd like to see J&A dealing with a baby who has down syndrome(

Babys on soaps that are born with defects or develop defects are not characters and will never be. They are plot devices. The sudden illness creates a story that provides emotional drama for a short duration, then the child is seldom seen and only pulled back out to be used as an accessory in a scene or as a plot device to spur another emotional story. While the scenario you suggest seems possible, in the long run it would just be A&J dealing with it initially and the sporadically as time went on until its announced the kid is at a special school for his disability or some other nonsense to hide the now disabled character that they have no use for besides being a plot device. Example: Lilly Montgomery.

My thinking is, if they had to kill the baby, couldn't they have done it without Jesse lying to his wife, and Angie being totally clueless as to her own child dying?

A very raw story could have been their marriage imploding as a result of them not being able to cope with the death of their child, not this passing some other child ass as their child nonsense.

I've always though Angie and Jesse as a very realistic couple, who would do better with raw and gritty storylines, not sensationalistic nonsense. But this type of storytelling is what every soap is doing, so it's really no surprise.

I suppose if Jesse is tormented in every episode about his decision it could work, but I would hate for it all to come out and Jesse giving Angie the excuse "I did it for YOU....FOR US!" nonsense that soaps pour out these days. And you know soaps always sugarcoat this crap.

But I won't be watching regardless, so it doesn't matter. I'm just over stories where women are intentionally or unintentionally victimized, like not knowing her own child is dead.

I've always though Angie and Jesse as a very realistic couple, who would do better with raw and gritty storylines, not sensationalistic nonsense. .

I agree. And I also think that this storyline could:

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It could be that the actual swap doesn't last that long, and they're dealing with the fallout relatively quickly. I think this will explode, in terms of Angie finding out in May. Which for a babyswap, isn't that bad.

That would be awfully rushed though. If this story is going to hit all the emotional beats, it needs to build during May then come apart during July. Assuming the show hasn't been canceled.

last May or even July. I think this storyline could go on for a while, because it's such a huge lie, I don't see it coming out quickly. (And look how long this storyline with Kendall is dragging on. The Madison stuff also dragged on for a while.) So that means we could have months of Jesse lying and doing who knows what to try and ensure Angie doesn't find out the truth. He may do all types of corrupt things/bad stuff, erasing away the sympathy he will get at the beginning of this storyline. I wonder to what lengths Jesse will do to keep this secret and how upset/disgusted people would get in the process.

Edited March 25, 201114 yr by xtr

Will Jesse be ousted from his job as chief of police and be sent to prison when it's revealed he's been passing off someone else's child as his own?

That's what SHOULD happen, but will AMC have the guts to go there? Probably not.

He and Brot need to lose their jobs.

So that means we could have months of Jesse lying and doing who knows what to try and ensure Angie doesn't find out the truth. He may do all types of corrupt things/bad stuff, erasing away the sympathy he will get at the beginning of this storyline.

Pretty much.

He and Brot need to lose their jobs.

So much for audience sympathy.

AMC needs to connect Maya to someone other than Colby&Asher. This sl only works if folks care about her.