YIKES I'm sure DM and DW will bring it but this is NOT something I want to see.

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Angie's baby is stillborn. Brot finds an abandoned baby. Jesse decides to tell Angie that baby is hers. The baby is Maya's (the new young, pretty Chandler maid).

Kreizman calls this the most emotional story they've told so far on AMC; it wasn't an easy decision - pros & cons were weighed. They wanted the audience really invested in the happiness and the baby here for impact. Jesse takes Angie to the place they got married in back in 1983. She goes into labor. Something isn't right with the baby. Brot arrives on the scene. Jesse is holding the dead baby when he hears a baby cry. It's a baby that was left in Brot's patrol car. A desperate Jesse decides he has to spare Angie. Morgan and Williams are over the moon about the material. Morgan notes if Angie could see this deception wouldn't have worked. As is, she's in heaven, so happy as Jesse goes through the motions for her sake. There's a scene where Jesse returns to where he buried his child to beg for forgiveness (the cameramen were crying). Jesse wants the dead child to have the name Ellie, so convinces Angie to call the baby somehting else - they decide on Lucy. How long will this secret stay hidden? With David around who knows...

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by alexisfan07

Memories...

And what a horrible mother Angie is... not wanting her child sniffing after a hooker... shame on Angie!!

This is one of my favorite AnJ scenes...

And also getting mad because she found that hooker in her daughter's bed. I'm glad that Angie had a realistic reaction to Randi being a prostitute, even though she ended up coming around to Randi.

I wish that Pratt would have expanded more on what caused Frankie to go and live in the woods. I know he had issues due to Iraq, but I think that the writers (during this particular time Pratt) should have expanded more on that, and wrote more about what caused him to do that and go by "Quentin" for a while. Pratt wrote about Frankie's issues somewhat, but I think he could have done a better job than he did.

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by xtr

Marley, I completely agree. Jesse and Angie are not a super couple if they can't survive obstacles.

If dead babies/babyswitch were super couple "obstacles" why aren't they used more often?

How come this particular obstacle wasn't foisted on Tad/Dixie or Erica/Jackson or Zendall?

DeeeDee you rock

AMC needs drama and they need it bad.

Supercouples aren't about holding hands and being happy, supercouples are angst, torment and then finding their way back together.

Jesse and Angie are finally getting a storyline worthy of their supercouple status.

They don't need this kind of drama, I have a feeling this is going to drive even more people away

Super Couples need angst that isn't damaging

Worthy of their Super Couple status? Now that is just scary that this is considered worthy of that

If dead babies/babyswitch were super couple "obstacles" why aren't they used more often?

How come this particular obstacle wasn't foisted on Tad/Dixie or Erica/Jackson or Zendall?

Zendall had angst piled on top of angst, and it damaged them ALOT

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by dragonflies

I think that this storyline did do a lot of damage to Jesse, because he ended up doing both families especially the kids and Angie (Rebecca knew what she was getting herself into and seemed to be okay with being Jesse‘s second choice) He tried to hide Natalia and he abandoned Angie/Frankie, I think he came out looking bad in multiple ways in that storyline. I could see him coming out looking pretty bad in this upcoming storyline as well.

OBSTACLEOBSTACLEOBSTACLE!

Ugh don't get me started on the second family thing. Pratt's idiotic idea to rewrite something good, cause he didn't like what was written. !@#$%^&*]

The more I think about this story, the more I think that it has potential to be very good. The writing may not be great, but DW and DM have the talent to save this story. If DW does a good job, the audience will understand and sympathize with his desperation and bad decision in that moment. Also, it isn't like he is stealing someone else's child, the baby was abandoned. Watching Angie bond with the baby will be heart wrenching as people hope that it will work out and she will be able to keep the baby when the truth comes out. For once an ABC soap is giving a challenging story to two actors who have the talent to give strong performances. Like I said before, this story could help DM to finally win an Emmy for best actress.

I don't doubt that we will get good acting out of this storyline especially DM. But I don't think it's going to be a good storyline because K&S aren't good writers. I think that they are pretty bad writers. IMO, they jacked up Kendall's storyline dealing with Zach's death. It started out okay, but I think they ended up really messing it up. I don't think that the acting will be able to save this upcoming Angie/Jesse storyline, I think it will just be the only good thing about it.

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by xtr

DeeeDee, All I am going to say to you is that your opinion about this story is yours and I have my own. However, I don't know how you can generalize about how the audience feels about any character. There are tons of different people watching and they have different feelings about different characters. On every soap board, there are fans who love David and others who hate David. For every fan that criticizes and dislikes Angie and Jesse, I see tons who love and support them. Also, fans on soap boards are a tiny percentage of the whole audience. In any case, soap characters don't have to be loved by everyone to be entertaining. End of.

And also getting mad because she found that hooker in her daughter's bed. I'm glad that Angie had a realistic reaction to Randi being a prostitute

Me too...

even though she ended up coming around to Randi.

Even though I care nothing about Randi (because of DV's acting), I didn't have a problem with Angie coming around because she should have if the girl got her behind off the streets... but I did find it ridiculous that Angie was bashed for not being happy with Frankie's choices and telling him so...

I don't doubt that we will get good acting out of this storyline especially DM. But I don't think it's going to be a good storyline because K&S aren't good writers.

This is what I was concerned about... its bad enough that they will lose their baby... and if the story is poorly written, that makes it all the worst...

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by Sleepy

DeeeDee, All I am going to say to you is that your opinion about this story is yours and I have my own.

Fair enough.

But weren't you also excited about having Maura on Y&R?

How's that working out for you?

However, I don't know how you can generalize about how the audience feels about any character.

That's not generalizing.

Visit ANY AMC board & their reaction to & about Jesse has been the same (not good in the least) since he returned.

There are tons of different people watching and they have different feelings about different characters.

So NOW the excuse is different feelings about different characters?

The justifications will never end.

On every soap board, there are fans who love David and others who hate David.

For every ONE viewer on any AMC board who dislikes David there are 40 ready to burn Pine Valley down because the rest of the characters don't bow down & kiss his feet.

David can do NO wrong EVER & when he DOES it's completely excusable like drugging Bianca by the show & the fans.

For every fan that criticizes and dislikes Angie and Jesse, I see tons who love and support them.

Those "tons of fans" occasionally like the actors (mainly Debbi) & who the characters (A/J) WERE.

Not who the current writers are making them out to be.

Also, fans on soap boards are a tiny percentage of the whole audience.

That doesn't make the story any less offensive or cliche.

In any case, soap characters don't have to be loved by everyone to be entertaining.

Keep justifying.

There are 6 soaps left & when they're gone?

There will be no justifications left.

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by DeeeDee

For every ONE viewer on any AMC board who dislikes David there are 40 ready to burn Pine Valley down because the rest of the characters don't bow down & kiss his feet.

David can do NO wrong EVER & when he DOES it's completely excusable like drugging Bianca by the show & the fans.

OMG is this so true, go to SOC and you'll see this. If someone doesn't worship at his feet they're "evil" I mean he saves lives, that justifies everything bad he does

And also getting mad because she found that hooker in her daughter's bed. I'm glad that Angie had a realistic reaction to Randi being a prostitute, even though she ended up coming around to Randi.

I wish that Pratt would have expanded more on what caused Frankie to go and live in the woods. I know he had issues due to Iraq, but I think that the writers (during this particular time Pratt) should have expanded more on that, and wrote more about what caused him to do that and go by "Quentin" for a while. Pratt wrote about Frankie's issues somewhat, but I think he could have done a better job than he did.

One of the things that initially excited me about Pratt was the fact that he took on the war in Iraq and its effect. The Frankie/Taylor/Brot relationships had a lot of potential. I know a lot of people hated Taylor with good reason but loved how Taylor was all gung ho for the Army and wanted Frankie to go back while Angie was willing to do anything to keep her son safe. (I still remember when she suggested that Frankie tell the Army he was gay. I LOVED that!) And whatever else he did wrong, I'm grateful to Pratt for bringing us Brot who is also going to get some screen time out of this story.

I'm really intrigued to see how Brot and Frankie fit into this story. I'd love it if this causes friction between them. Throw (a recast) Randi and Natalia in the mix and it could be fantastic drama.

If dead babies/babyswitch were super couple "obstacles" why aren't they used more often?

How come this particular obstacle wasn't foisted on Tad/Dixie or Erica/Jackson or Zendall?

Tad/Dixie - had to deal with the whole Kate/Kathy thing which I consider to be very similar. Dixie gave her daughter away and Tad tortured and murdered a man to get her back. Bad writing? Yes. But Tad is still going strong and people are still demanding the return of Dixie.

Erica/Jackson - Erica is never going to have any more kids. But she recently threw the fact that Jack testified against her in Bianca's custody hearing in his face. That was decades ago.

Zendall - isn't a supercouple.

Edited March 24, 201114 yr by marceline

OMG is this so true, go to SOC and you'll see this. If someone doesn't worship at his feet they're "evil" I mean he saves lives, that justifies everything bad he does

Exactly.

And in 6 months the very same individuals in this topic that are advocating for this story will be the exact same ones bashing Darnell & Jesse but not the writers just like with Pratt.

Exactly.

And in 6 months the very same individuals in this topic that are advocating for this story will be the exact same ones bashing Darnell & Jesse but not the writers just like with Pratt.

Exactly!

Tad/Dixie - had to deal with the whole Kate/Kathy thing which I consider to be very similar. Dixie gave her daughter away and Tad tortured and murdered a man to get her back. Bad writing? Yes. But Tad is still going strong and people are still demanding the return of Dixie.

Really?

When was Dixie ever written as a bad person for giving away Kathy or when has Tad been redeemed over Madden In A Box?

And Tad "going strong" amounts to people currently liking the character cause MEK has chemistry with LK.

Prior to that it was constant Madden In A Box issues from fans any time Tad did or said anything.

Zendall - isn't a supercouple.

They sure got super couple airtime & OBSTACLES.

Tad/Dixie - had to deal with the whole Kate/Kathy thing which I consider to be very similar. Dixie gave her daughter away and Tad tortured and murdered a man to get her back. Bad writing? Yes. But Tad is still going strong and people are still demanding the return of Dixie.

Plus, Jake just lied to Amanda about giving their baby up for adoption. I think she forgave him a hot minute. They aren't a super couple either. LOL!

Erica/Jackson - Erica is never going to have any more kids. But she recently threw the fact that Jack testified against her in Bianca's custody hearing in his face. That was decades ago.

Jack testifying against Erica at Bianca's custody trial broke them up. I remember how controversial that was at the time.