Members Joseph Posted December 11, 2023 Members Share Posted December 11, 2023 That besides the fact Cole wasn't his! It was pretty much implied Victor was The Boy's Father in the 1980's, To Retcon that into him being Rick Daros' Son when Eve And Rick Didn't even meet until 1984 When Cole was At least 7 was bizarre! But I Think Bell wasn't paying that Much Attention to Y&R at the Time as much as to B&B! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoldRestless Posted December 11, 2023 Members Share Posted December 11, 2023 He isn't Rick Daros' son, that is a fan story that got around. I just googled it and I see all the fan sites list his father as Rick. That's not true. In the 80s clips in the vault, it is established that Eve claims Charles is Victor's son. He does not accept this but did create a trust fund for him just in case. In his will he'd planned to leave his fortune to Victoria (when she was still considered Kevin Bancroft's daughter, although Victor might have known the truth by then) and Cole. That's the reason that Eve tries to marry him and kill him in 1983. When Eve died in the 90s, they tested the DNA against some other guy. I don't remember his name but it wasn't Rick Daros... @YRfan23 probably knows the exact date to point you to the episode or recap (he knows everything Please register in order to view this content ) Eve and Rick did hook up in the sanitarium and escaped in 1984... I suppose they could have had more children but that storyline never played out (hopefully the Y&R historian doesn't tell Josh Griffith!). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Joseph Posted December 11, 2023 Members Share Posted December 11, 2023 Good to know, I read he wasn't Victor's son in the end but didn't know who the real father was, But everywhere does list Rick as his father 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yrfan1983 Posted December 11, 2023 Members Share Posted December 11, 2023 They did lots of retcons around that time... like in '93 how "crazy Eve" was completely ignored. So it's even stranger that just last week, the show acknowledged "crazy Eve" with that flashback! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted December 11, 2023 Members Share Posted December 11, 2023 That has ALWAYS bugged me, @yrfan1983. Even back then, I was aware of Eve's history, so to bring her back without anyone reaching for the phone to call the authorities was just odd to me. Did Bill Bell think it was so long ago that nobody would have remembered or cared? Or was that a sign that his mental faculties were beginning to fail him? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Joseph Posted December 11, 2023 Members Share Posted December 11, 2023 And Basically ignored her 1993 return as Victor said 40 years instead of 30! I think they retconned her last return out! I wonder if This is all to prop Niktor's 40th anniversary with Jordan trying to kill Nikki just like Eve did 40 years ago? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Broderick Posted December 11, 2023 Members Share Posted December 11, 2023 My recollection is that Eve was constantly trying to make Victor "bond" with young Charles Victor during Eve's first run in 1980. But then again, nothing much during that period of time made a lot of sense. The little kid (Charles Victor) was blond, and looked nothing at all like Victor. But then it turned out Eve Howard and Derek Thurston knew each other, and the two of them reconnected to steal Victor's medical records (the vasectomy) and send the file to Julia Newman. When I learned Derek already knew Eve (and Charles Victor was blond like Derek Thurston), I assumed the kid was Derek Thurston's son. But then Derek was dumped from the show, and that was that. lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Joseph Posted December 11, 2023 Members Share Posted December 11, 2023 OK so we were supposed to Think Cole was 18 When He first came to town???? I can't! Please register in order to view this content OK so we were supposed to Think Cole was 18 When He first came to town???? I can't! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members yrfan1983 Posted December 11, 2023 Members Share Posted December 11, 2023 Maybe Joe LaDue's random exit was due to Jeanne Cooper's absence from the majority of the first half of '81 (perhaps because she was in rehab...? she mentions rehab in her memoir but doesn't provide dates). There was such a set-up in fall '80 to have Kay marooned on the island with Felipe and then seems like it wrapped up in 1-2 eps at the beginning of '81. Would make sense if the writers had to craft a quick exit for JC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Broderick Posted December 12, 2023 Members Share Posted December 12, 2023 Yep, that sounds about right. Kay Thurston basically came back from Felipe's Island Paradise one random day in early 1981, popped into Victor's office and said, "Kindly continue running Chancellor Industries for me, for the love of heaven," then dropped by her mansion and told Derek Thurston, "Jerrick, I've changed while I was away. I'm afraid your free ride has come to an end," then popped over to see Douglas Austin and told him she wasn't terribly interested in him anymore, either. She then disappeared into thin air until the Jerry Cashman/male escort storyline started months later, in the summertime. Derek disappeared after she dumped him. I felt like the "punchline" of the Charles Victor Howard storyline was intended to be an ironic twist, in which (a) Derek and Eve did all this sleuthing and stealing of Victor's medical records to prove Michael Scott was the father of Julia's unborn baby, and -- surprise! -- it was really Victor's fetus, (b) the kid who was alive and alleged to be Victor's kid (Charles Victor Howard) wasn't Victor's son at all but instead was -- surprise! -- Derek Thurston's kid, and (c) Jill Foster would discover that the mysterious tyke who'd been living in her house all along was Derek Thurston's kid, and she'd never even known it. But obviously with the permanent exit of Derek, the months-long absence of Kay Chancellor, and the sudden flop (and disappearance) of Jill's new beau John Abbott (Brett Halsey), it seemed every vestige of several different storylines (including the paternity of Charles Victor) fizzled completely and were relegated to the Bill Bell Wasteland of Unanswered Questions. Which was pretty typical of Y&R in 1980 and 1981, lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kalbir Posted December 12, 2023 Members Share Posted December 12, 2023 I think Cole introduction was that he had finished graduate school and was writing his first novel, so I'd estimate his age to be 25 or 26 in 1993. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BoldRestless Posted December 12, 2023 Members Share Posted December 12, 2023 Ah, that sounds rather good! I hadn't considered the Jill angle. The recaps say at some point even Kay was considering birthing Derek's child LOL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Broderick Posted December 12, 2023 Members Share Posted December 12, 2023 lol, yep, that was discussed. Kay had actually visited her ob/gyn, who assured her that she hadn't started menopause yet and could still have a baby with Derek if she was determined to. (I believe Jeanne Cooper was 48 or so at the time, although she appeared to be 67.) Turned out Derek already had a son with Suzanne Lynch, which is what dragged Suzanne to town. But with this (haphazard) Eve Howard storyline, Kay was presumed dead, and her estate was "up for grabs". Brock had technically already received his inheritance from Gary Reynolds and had squandered it. Young master Phillip Foster had been declared illegitimate by the courts, with no known father. Derek Thurston was presumably the sole heir to Kay Chancellor's money, as she was missing on an island with Felipe. If some unfortunate event had happened to Eve Howard, and if Jill had taken custody of young master Charles Victor Howard -- who turned out to be Derek's -- then Jill, fresh from her break-up with John Abbott and Jack Abbott, would've had a stake in Kay's estate. But obviously none of that happened, as all of the stories going on at the time seemed to be short-circuited (and it's just as well, because it was becoming pretty clear that Lilibet Stern, Terry Lester, Doug Davidson, Melody Thomas, Eric Braeden, and Michael Damian were the audience draws in all that convoluted mess.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lye-C Posted December 12, 2023 Members Share Posted December 12, 2023 It’s so wild to me that Y&R and B&B take place in the same fictional universe as Guiding Light, As the World Turns, and Another World. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted December 12, 2023 Members Share Posted December 12, 2023 That's incorrect. His age was very specifically contrasted to Victoria's (who was 17/18) and he was in his mid-20s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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