His masculinity or femininity isn't relevant tho.

True.

That's great JP, I was just letting Cheap know I disagreed with her assessment on that front. I'm also a gay black man, just throwing it out there before I get labeled anything.

That's great JP, I was just letting Cheap know I disagreed with her assessment on that front. I'm also a gay black man, just throwing it out there before I get labeled anything.

Yass, now can you hurry up and watch the show cause I'm sick of talking to just these two bitches! (Kidding, guys!)

Finally watching...This is not a good look for Cynthia, not one bit. Say what you will about Phaedra, but I do love that she and Kandi have a truly genuine friendship off camera and it shows onscreen.

Um why the !@#$%^&*] did Mal jump in at all?

Where is Eric?

You guys I'm so offended at you all. I can't believe I poured my heart out telling you I'm not good with words and expo along myself and none y'all bitches defended me to myself lol.

/real housewife pitty party rant

Lol. I'm legit totally kidding. And I love this thread and all of you.

You guys I'm so offended at you all. I can't believe I poured my heart out telling you I'm not good with words and expo along myself and none y'all bitches defended me to myself lol.

/real housewife pitty party rant

Lol. I'm legit totally kidding. And I love this thread and all of you.

Aw JP, you know we love you. I was so hype trying to type all that out I didn't even catch that part of your post!

The one issue with Nene - and I think the reason I ride so hard for her is because I can be the same way - is that if she didn't MEAN something the way it came across, she won't apologize. She didn't mean to emasculate Brandon, she just meant to throw shade. Now, her remarks came across poorly and she should clarify & apologize. But because she feels the intent wasn't negative, she doesn't see the need to apologize. And I think if she just did that, most of this would blow over.

Question. Where did you stand on the whole Brandi comment about Joyce being black because she can't swim? Do you feel she needed to apologize for it since she didn't MEAN for something to come across the way it did? Or like with Nene, do you feel since she "supposedly" didn't mean to imply anything negative by calling Brandon a she/queen/wearing a ball gown, that it's okay?

Question. Where did you stand on the whole Brandi comment about Joyce being black because she can't swim? Do you feel she needed to apologize for it since she didn't MEAN for something to come across the way it did? Or like with Nene, do you feel since she "supposedly" didn't mean to imply anything negative by calling Brandon a she/queen/wearing a ball gown, that it's okay?

I think she should apologize for offending people, but I don't think she's at all racist and I don't think she meant that as racist. But yes, she should apologize if it offended anyone, just as Nene should.

I think she should apologize for offending people, but I don't think she's at all racist and I don't think she meant that as racist. But yes, she should apologize if it offended anyone, just as Nene should.

So would your opinion of Nene change if she does not apologize? She has yet to do so and it's highly unlikely she will, just going off of everything else she believes she's blameless for. And how would you feel if Brandi hadn't apologized and rather downplayed the comments she had said?

So would your opinion of Nene change if she does not apologize? She has yet to do so and it's highly unlikely she will, just going off of everything else she believes she's blameless for. And how would you feel if Brandi hadn't apologized and rather downplayed the comments she had said?

No, my opinion of Nene would/will not change. Nobody's perfect, and like my original post said - I myself sometimes struggle with the same thing, which may be why I empathize with Nene on some level. I don't know how I would have felt re:Brandi, as I haven't been consistently watching. I'm glad she owned her mistake, but if she hadn't it wouldn't have made me hate her or anything like that.

I want to watch RHoA SO bad! But I'm at work. I can't believe this thread blew up just like it did two weeks ago -- but even better, that nobody went BSC. This is prob why I love posting here. Even when I post dumb [!@#$%^&*] and am called out on it, it isn't mean or personal.

That pic of Christopher grabbing Kenya right in front of Nene's eyes-on-stalks speaks volumes. I really hope Andy does not let any of these women duck from answering some tough questions about how acceptable it is for a man to lay hands on a woman. I mean, if the cameras and production staff hadn't been there, how exactly would this have gone down? Is production exacerbating the situation or acting as a break on some of these guys to really beat the [!@#$%^&*] out of somebody? I think one of the reasons I am so appalled at Apollo is that he was punching Brandon because Brandon was a stand-in for Kenya. I'm sure he was sore at Kenya for exposing his texts to the world and he was getting his frustration out on him.

That Kim/Lisa scene was awkward. Lisa hand eked it so well.

Brandi is so correct, on point about Lisa. Having Scheena there was a calculated, blatant move and it was beyond classless and shitty to do.

Lisa Vanderpump ‏@LisaVanderpump 8h

Yes you're right @jennymccarthy, production orchestrated Scheana to be there,I objected & they insisted..it is what it is @BravoWWHL #wwhl

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I want to watch RHoA SO bad! But I'm at work. I can't believe this thread blew up just like it did two weeks ago -- but even better, that nobody went BSC. This is prob why I love posting here. Even when I post dumb [!@#$%^&*] and am called out on it, it isn't mean or personal.

That pic of Christopher grabbing Kenya right in front of Nene's eyes-on-stalks speaks volumes. I really hope Andy does not let any of these women duck from answering some tough questions about how acceptable it is for a man to lay hands on a woman. I mean, if the cameras and production staff hadn't been there, how exactly would this have gone down? Is production exacerbating the situation or acting as a break on some of these guys to really beat the [!@#$%^&*] out of somebody? I think one of the reasons I am so appalled at Apollo is that he was punching Brandon because Brandon was a stand-in for Kenya. I'm sure he was sore at Kenya for exposing his texts to the world and he was getting his frustration out on him.

Lisa Vanderpump ‏@LisaVanderpump 8h

Yes you're right @jennymccarthy, production orchestrated Scheana to be there,I objected & they insisted..it is what it is @BravoWWHL #wwhl

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LOL, I respect JP's opinion about BH and Lisa and he's pretty even-handed when it comes to her (more than I am probably!). But her response to the whole thing is better than any defense I might have so why not just quote it directly? No mean bloop! intended.

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