No, sadly it's becasue a lot of black women want to look lighter complected. A rather significant piece of dirty laundry in the black community.

Oprah also took lighting for black skin to the next level, she's mentioned this on her show before. It's tough to light black skin, on screen and on stage for that matter, so she had the best folks come in and really make her look great. She said that's why white people tend to look really great on her show. And I must say, for a show back in the '80s where she was often the only black person in an episode, I think Dynasty did a great job of lighting Diahann Carroll, the camera just loved her face. There are moments though where her tone is on the ashier side, of course she's not ashy-ashy, but it's the studio lights. Nolan Miller said that they wanted to do all black and white clothes for Dominique, but it was a lighting nightmare with her dark skin against a high contrast black and white outfit. She wore mostly solid white or cream which looked even better.

First off, Lisa Airan is a lovely lady.

Second, Oprah's very likely done light chemical peels for years. I say this because it only takes a few glances of 80s and 90s and 00's Oprah to see that her skin tone is significantly brighter. The 'ashy' look that a lot of African American skin tones demonstrate is simply dead skin cells that don't exfoliate properly. The same thing happens in lighter skin tones, but it's much less evident since the light skin cells have far less melanin (colour) in them. Oprah's skin doesn't demonstrate that look at all, so it's clear to me that she routinely exfoliates, both at home and with the help of a dermatologist. Light peels are great, they brighten the skin and decrease some fine lines. Deep peels can address deep lines, though those peels have more risks of hypopigmentation (the loss of colour from the skin).

Otherwise, I think Oprah looks very natural. She wears a TON of makeup because it sculpts her face and rids of her of the bags that plague her eyes and streamlines her nose. But otherwise, she demonstrates that African American skin ages superbly.

I love Wendy Williams. She reminds me of Jessica Rabbit, her body is outrageous in all the right places. Wendy's Botox is very complimentary and she has the smooth forehead, without the waxy look, that most people crave. Like Oprah I'm sure she goes in for the odd peel, but her skin looks great for a woman in her 40s who enjoyed the Columbian Marching Powder back in the day (she's been clean for over 10 years).

Wendy's tummy tuck and breast implants were in response to her losing a good deal of weight some years ago. The tummy tuck elimated the loose skin and the implants filled out her sagging chest. I think she looks great. She can carry off the implants because she has the outrageously sexy frame to do it. Nothing looks out of place on her. Having breast implants under the muscle is the way to go, they look far more natural that way and are...natural...to the touch.

I think Wendy would do better with different makeup shades. The dark lips and deep mauves that she likes aren't as flattering as a juicy plum colour would be. Still, Wendy exhibits a glamorous mafia wife vibe. She's fantastic. How you doin?

I disagree on this, I just think Wendy williams looks like a complete tranny with 2 enormous mushmelons strapped to her chest. I hate to say it, Rupaul looks more natural. I should LOVE her personality, but she grates on me for some reason, and I can't put my finger on it. But in general, Black women DO age wonderfully... I remember when I saw Lois Reeves up close for the first time, at age 58, and she did not look a day over 40. I tell you who ALWAYS has looked older than her age to me. Calista Flockhart. I know she's been doing cancer SL on B&S, but to me, she's ALWAYS looked drawn, emaciated, and in need of some FOOD. Her eyes have always seemed so hollow and sunken.

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I disagree on this, I just think Wendy williams looks like a complete tranny with 2 enormous mushmelons strapped to her chest. I hate to say it, Rupaul looks more natural. I should LOVE her personality, but she grates on me for some reason, and I can't put my finger on it. But in general, Black women DO age wonderfully... I remember when I saw Lois Reeves up close for the first time, at age 58, and she did not look a day over 40. I tell you who ALWAYS has looked older than her age to me. Calista Flockhart. I know she's been doing cancer SL on B&S, but to me, she's ALWAYS looked drawn, emaciated, and in need of some FOOD. Her eyes have always seemed so hollow and sunken.

I wonder if your lack of love for Wendy is based on how messy and confrontational she is? She's fabulous and aggressive, an interesting mix. She's unapologetically inelegant. I LOVE that.

Have to admit, I had to look up who Lois Reeves is, never heard of her before.

Calista doesn't look bad, but she could stand to gain 15 pounds. Her eyes have always looked like that and I don't think they'd look any different whatever weight she is.

Wendy is a big woman, tall and formerly overweight. I think she just decided to embrace and run with it and matched with her glamorous, OTT taste, the result is this '80s drag queen glamazon aesthetic. She name checked Dominique Deveraux on her show a couple of times, she likes the big jewels, the big furs, all of the extravagant glitz of that era and the idea of being a powerful businesswoman. Speaking of Wendy, soaps, and plastic surgery one time on her show she was talking about people with crazy nostrils and she said she always thinks of Dionne Warwick and "the lady from Knots Landing"... I wonder which one? Michele or Joan?

Speaking of Wendy, soaps, and plastic surgery one time on her show she was talking about people with crazy nostrils and she said she always thinks of Dionne Warwick and "the lady from Knots Landing"... I wonder which one? Michele or Joan?

Donna. ;-)

Aside from La Collins, of course, Dominique Deveraux was the only reason I cared at all about DYNASTY. Forget "Alexis vs. Krystle," or even "Blake vs. Alexis." If it had been up to me, Blake and Krystle would've met their fate in some plane crash, leaving Dominique and Alexis to squabble indefinitely over his estate.

DaytimeFan, have you seen the new photoshoot Madonna did with Interview Magazine? She looks quite "refreshed" for a 51 year old. I'm thinking she had something done recently, though not too drastic. What do you think?

http://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/madonna/

DaytimeFan, have you seen the new photoshoot Madonna did with Interview Magazine? She looks quite "refreshed" for a 51 year old. I'm thinking she had something done recently, though not too drastic. What do you think?

http://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/madonna/

its called Photoshop sweety, haha

its called Photoshop sweety, haha

Lol, she's been looking "refreshed" even in recent paparazzi pictures too. Her cheek bones seem to have been worked on, and her skin is tighter, though not too tight.

Madonna and her face ("the new face" of plastic surgery, or should we say "cosmetic procedures" as little-to-no actual surgery is involved) were the cover article in New York Magazine about two years ago. I'm pretty sure Sylph posted the cover in this thread a few pages back. But yeah, she's been filled and plumped and botox'd and rejuved...

ETA: Oh my God, "a few pages back", I just realized that this thread is 25 pages long!

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Lol, she's been looking "refreshed" even in recent paparazzi pictures too. Her cheek bones seem to have been worked on, and her skin is tighter, though not too tight.

http://www.drfredricbrandt.com/

The tabloids have such a love/hate relationship with plastic surgery. They love to talk about how old women look, yet they have torn Heidi Montag apart for her plastic surgery (there's a new cover which talks about what losers and failures the 3 main women from The Hills are).

Lol, she's been looking "refreshed" even in recent paparazzi pictures too. Her cheek bones seem to have been worked on, and her skin is tighter, though not too tight.

I would be willing to wager that Madonna has had an S Lift, a lower facelift that cleans up the jawline and neck. I would also say that she may have had an endoscopic brow lift. She's been Botoxed and Restalyned and Juvedermed and IPL's and Fraxeled with the best of them.

And yes, part of it is Photoshop!

Madonna and her face ("the new face" of plastic surgery, or should we say "cosmetic procedures" as little-to-no actual surgery is involved) were the cover article in New York Magazine about two years ago. I'm pretty sure Sylph posted the cover in this thread a few pages back. But yeah, she's been filled and plumped and botox'd and rejuved...

ETA: Oh my God, "a few pages back", I just realized that this thread is 25 pages long!

I don't buy that Madonna's looks is strictly non surgical. She had her nose done and I'm certain in addition the procedures I've listed above she's done her eyes as well. There's not an inch of loose skin anywhere on the woman and she's at an age where it's impossible for her to look the way she does without surgery.

Yes, 25 marvelous pages

The tabloids have such a love/hate relationship with plastic surgery. They love to talk about how old women look, yet they have torn Heidi Montag apart for her plastic surgery (there's a new cover which talks about what losers and failures the 3 main women from The Hills are).

Absolutely. The press is a funny thing. They walk the finest of lines.

In Heidi's case, she's someone who courts this kind of press. She gets what she deserves.

I have to admit that I took a bit of dirty little joy in those clips of Heidi's mom tiptoeing on eggshells before grinding them into Heidi's face in regards to her new look. Her surgery aged her, and I know it's still swollen, but her jaw is huge. I think she had her chin shaved down and jaw implants put in. I don't think most women who didn't already have one would opt for a square jaw, not sure that was right for her face.

I don't buy that Madonna's looks is strictly non surgical. She had her nose done and I'm certain in addition the procedures I've listed above she's done her eyes as well. There's not an inch of loose skin anywhere on the woman and she's at an age where it's impossible for her to look the way she does without surgery.

Oh, I agree with you on Madonna, but that was the overall theme of the article, less invasive, less "done" looking work that was centered more on dermatology than surgery.

Oh, I agree with you on Madonna, but that was the overall theme of the article, less invasive, less "done" looking work that was centered more on dermatology than surgery.

Absolutely, it's the wave of the future. Looking done isn't the goal. Thankfully, looking good is.