Members alphanguy74 Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 Oh, my gosh, Toups... I kind of feel the opposite. And I'm the eternal cheerleader. the Paul/Nina/Jill thing IS GREAT, if it can be followed through properly. But to be honest, it's the only thing keeping me watching right now. If they step over the line and have Ryder's mother be someone totally outlandish, then I think I'll have to go over to the dark side. At this point, the only person Ryder's mother could be and save any SHRED of realism (Which Y&R is supposed to be known for) would be Hilary Lancaster. But how much you wanna bet they'll go some evil twin, plastic surgery bullshit route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 But see, not even the Fisher-Baldwins are getting much play...sporadic stuff here and there. Not a single story pushes through. There is just too much going on on this show. You read my outline from the other day? . Actually, yours is much better and better structured. Yes, I think if viewers can just erase the whiteboard a bit...forgive some of the awful stuff of the summer (and yes, it requires a conscious act of forgiveness) things could get better. Caveat: Not if they keep fractionating their storytelling like this, so that no stories actually push through. It all feels like B and C story...no A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dm. Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 I don't have it in my soul to forgive the crap they've been pushing for months. And even if I did, I'd never forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members classicmoment Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 OK Mark, you've convinced me to watch this epi. I hate this feeling I have of Y&R these days I have a lil bit of hope but at every disappointing term my hope decreases. They need to cut out the heavy plot driven approach it hurts their stories, how can theynot see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 Oh heavens! Don't listen to me I'm a fanboi Seriously, I thought this episode was better...a good mix of characters/actors/writers came together, and they dropped the plot-plot-plot a little bit for a day. I wasn't the salvation of the show, though, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 I'm not sure how we forgive this summer when no one at the show has ever asked forgiveness. As far as we know, the show thought those stories were superb. Their continued need to shove Adam at people suggests as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 LOL. If they ASK for forgiveness, will you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 They don't need it. Even without it they breed like roaches & infest every story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 Yep. And every core family is still a HUGE mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 LOL, and again, right now, I tend to agree. The show has successfully undermined even my affection for this clan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sure, but I've been waiting almost ten years for Hogan to ask forgiveness. I would just like someone at this show to talk about the mess they've made, instead of it being the fault of daytime, or of fans, or of cast members, or of Sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 I havent watchd this show in 2 weeks. Am I missing anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 This is a commercial product. I doubt they're every going to say "we screwed up". And let's say they do. Ken Corday has done annual f*cking interviews in which he admitted to screwing up, and spewing out this year's plan to save Days. I see ZERO benefit or fan appreciation for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members classicmoment Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 Yeah unless there is a massive overall core offense to the latter, sony, cbs, and the audience they will not do that and that's just business. KC was stuck in a place he had to do that he was losing the network at a very fast rate, Sony might have gotten on his back by then and the viewership was in worse shape than it had been in a long time. Let's be real Days viewers have been protesting and asking for acknowledgement for a long time before it was acknowledged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted November 25, 2009 Members Share Posted November 25, 2009 Soap writers or producers say "We made a mistake" plenty of times. That's not limited to Ken Corday. Even Jill Farren Phelps, not exactly known for catering to fan whims, has said as much. MAB has had no problem going to the soap press to be kissed up to and get told how she was Y&R's savior. She should get to hear the opposite as well. MAB started off her run joking around about the crime rate dropping and then barely six months later we get the start of a long spate of hollow, gratuitous death, mayhem, and darkness, mixed with nonexistent characterization and actors who tank everything in sight. She obviously decided to betray what helped get her such hype in the first place (being the anti-LML) and then proceeded to just run roughshod all over the show for most of the year. If they're going to get endless fawning for their work, then I think it's only natural for them to give us a little bit of mea culpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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