Oh, my gosh, Toups... I kind of feel the opposite. And I'm the eternal cheerleader. the Paul/Nina/Jill thing IS GREAT, if it can be followed through properly. But to be honest, it's the only thing keeping me watching right now. If they step over the line and have Ryder's mother be someone totally outlandish, then I think I'll have to go over to the dark side. At this point, the only person Ryder's mother could be and save any SHRED of realism (Which Y&R is supposed to be known for) would be Hilary Lancaster. But how much you wanna bet they'll go some evil twin, plastic surgery bullshit route.

Who needs Abbotts when you have Baldwin-Fishers?

But see, not even the Fisher-Baldwins are getting much play...sporadic stuff here and there. Not a single story pushes through. There is just too much going on on this show.

Okay, I'm getting excited for Y&R again! Nina/Paul/Jill - is this triangle going to happen? I hope so. That kiss between Paul/Nina was great. I'm also enjoying Sharon/Adam because I think the climax of their story will be awesome to watch. The way I want this story to happen is that they fall in love and get engaged. Then for May sweeps, the baby switch comes out at their wedding which takes place on Mother's Day - the perfect day for Sharon to reunite with Faith (or you can have it that they reunite on the day Cassie died which also takes place in May). That's the basic outline. There's some other stuff that should happen between now and the wedding. So basically for the next 6 months, you build up for this big moment! So with these two stories, along with the Lauren story and the business story, that makes 4 stories I'm looking forward to. So far so good, and I could be back on the Y&R bandwagon very soon.

You read my outline from the other day? . Actually, yours is much better and better structured.

Yes, I think if viewers can just erase the whiteboard a bit...forgive some of the awful stuff of the summer (and yes, it requires a conscious act of forgiveness) things could get better. Caveat: Not if they keep fractionating their storytelling like this, so that no stories actually push through. It all feels like B and C story...no A.

I don't have it in my soul to forgive the crap they've been pushing for months. And even if I did, I'd never forget.

Today was a good demonstration, IMO, of what happens when a good BDW/SW get to write for many of the A-list players (and few of the irritants). It makes for a very entertaining drama!

I liked most of today.

The Chancellors. For me, this was pleasing, but the best bit was Nina-Paul-Jill. That was gold, all three actors were high energy, and I think it was a pleasing face of things to come. I hope Nina acknowledges feeling a bit weird, since Chris is her best friend. I feel bad for Thom Bierdz that he is now a happy off-screen phone call from down under...but it's probably for the best. Murphy continues to delight me...I hope he remains healthy and safe.

The Abbotts. I know others detest the decimation of this clan, but I love it. I am now a total nu-Abby fan...the writing finally matches the actress' skills. She can't play happy or sad. But she can play angry and saucy. She will rock this rebellious teen thing, and she made me feel very bad for Ashley. Finally! I loved Ashley's discomfiture around Dr. P. She clearly wants nothing to do with psychiatrists...it is very threatening to express the "truth" (since she's in full repression mode). This was a nice subtext played by Eileen Davidson. I could take or leave Billy today--but I'm sure yesterday's alley-sex with Kylie/Kelly is going to come back soon (pregnancy? photos for a tabloid? STD?), and that will be fun watch. In the end, nothing is more satisfying than watching Jack sit alone--bereft--so unable to take the place of his father. Please--NEVER let Jack be happy!

The Newmans. I'm such a big dork, but I was thrilled to welcome JT and Victoria home. I don't know what the point of shipping them to New York was...was this a hasty story switch in the wake of EB's departure? I'm very surprised that JT is being positioned into business, and with Tucker...but no matter. This may bring JT more front-burner viability, so I can't complain. I may not be a Heinle fan, but I like my Newmans home.

I love how Nick feels that connection to Faith. That is the stuff good baby switches are made of...I hope this sentiment grows.

When Phyllis broke down over the crayon-turkey, I was perplexed by the intensity of her reaction. Was this due to the turkey? Or was this because it was a sign (to her) of how dysfunctional and regressed Summer remains?

And Adam-Sharon? I liked seeing them sprawl on the sofa, just enjoying each other's company. I choose to believe Muhney's vision of this--that Adam is sincere in his feelings for Sharon, and nurtures them in the hopes that they will be his path to redemption. I like that take very much...and that's what I feel I'm seeing on screen.

Previews suggest to me that tomorrow will be a much less satisfying Thanksgiving episode. Do we really need Ryder on the day before turkey? I much prefer when the attempt is to show reunion and fellowship on this day. Tuesday's episode wa s a pleasing nugget in this regard, for me.

OK Mark, you've convinced me to watch this epi. I hate this feeling I have of Y&R these days I have a lil bit of hope but at every disappointing term my hope decreases.

They need to cut out the heavy plot driven approach it hurts their stories, how can theynot see that?

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OK Mark, you've convinced me to watch this epi. I hate this feeling I have of Y&R these days I have a lil bit of hope but at every disappointing term my hope decreases.

Oh heavens! Don't listen to me

I'm a fanboi

Seriously, I thought this episode was better...a good mix of characters/actors/writers came together, and they dropped the plot-plot-plot a little bit for a day. I wasn't the salvation of the show, though, LOL.

I'm not sure how we forgive this summer when no one at the show has ever asked forgiveness. As far as we know, the show thought those stories were superb. Their continued need to shove Adam at people suggests as much.

I'm not sure how we forgive this summer when no one at the show has ever asked forgiveness. As far as we know, the show thought those stories were superb. Their continued need to shove Adam at people suggests as much.

LOL. If they ASK for forgiveness, will you?

But see, not even the Fisher-Baldwins are getting much play

They don't need it.

Even without it they breed like roaches & infest every story.

I'm not sure how we forgive this summer when no one at the show has ever asked forgiveness. As far as we know, the show thought those stories were superb. Their continued need to shove Adam at people suggests as much.

Yep.

And every core family is still a HUGE mess.

They don't need it.

Even without it they breed like roaches & infest every story.

LOL, and again, right now, I tend to agree. The show has successfully undermined even my affection for this clan.

LOL. If they ASK for forgiveness, will you?

Sure, but I've been waiting almost ten years for Hogan to ask forgiveness.

I would just like someone at this show to talk about the mess they've made, instead of it being the fault of daytime, or of fans, or of cast members, or of Sony.

I havent watchd this show in 2 weeks. Am I missing anything?

Sure, but I've been waiting almost ten years for Hogan to ask forgiveness.

I would just like someone at this show to talk about the mess they've made, instead of it being the fault of daytime, or of fans, or of cast members, or of Sony.

This is a commercial product. I doubt they're every going to say "we screwed up".

And let's say they do. Ken Corday has done annual f*cking interviews in which he admitted to screwing up, and spewing out this year's plan to save Days. I see ZERO benefit or fan appreciation for this.

This is a commercial product. I doubt they're every going to say "we screwed up".

And let's say they do. Ken Corday has done annual f*cking interviews in which he admitted to screwing up, and spewing out this year's plan to save Days. I see ZERO benefit or fan appreciation for this.

Yeah unless there is a massive overall core offense to the latter, sony, cbs, and the audience they will not do that and that's just business. KC was stuck in a place he had to do that he was losing the network at a very fast rate, Sony might have gotten on his back by then and the viewership was in worse shape than it had been in a long time. Let's be real Days viewers have been protesting and asking for acknowledgement for a long time before it was acknowledged

This is a commercial product. I doubt they're every going to say "we screwed up".

And let's say they do. Ken Corday has done annual f*cking interviews in which he admitted to screwing up, and spewing out this year's plan to save Days. I see ZERO benefit or fan appreciation for this.

Soap writers or producers say "We made a mistake" plenty of times. That's not limited to Ken Corday. Even Jill Farren Phelps, not exactly known for catering to fan whims, has said as much. MAB has had no problem going to the soap press to be kissed up to and get told how she was Y&R's savior. She should get to hear the opposite as well.

MAB started off her run joking around about the crime rate dropping and then barely six months later we get the start of a long spate of hollow, gratuitous death, mayhem, and darkness, mixed with nonexistent characterization and actors who tank everything in sight. She obviously decided to betray what helped get her such hype in the first place (being the anti-LML) and then proceeded to just run roughshod all over the show for most of the year.

If they're going to get endless fawning for their work, then I think it's only natural for them to give us a little bit of mea culpa.

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