I didn't enjoy the cabin-quad much either. And I have to admit that when Chance spelled out "virgin", I was actively embarrassed. I've gone on record with my general lack of comfort with that plot, but why is he broadcasting it thus? So he could be holier-than-thou about Billy's "empty" encounters. Yes, it seems clear we're rapidly heading toward a Billy-Mac break, but I just don't get Chance.

He has to look bad for Billy to look tough or hot or whatever.

Are they changing it to where Chloe is the one who didn't want to sign the papers, and Billy did? At the time, Billy didn't want to sign them.

Paul obviously has some influence. Sean Kannaan had lunch with him and voila Deacon was written into the show. Maybe Christian Le Blanc, Tracey Bregman and Kristoff St. John should have lunch with him and maybe he can put a good word in for them with Maria.

I can imagine someone at Y&R sitting back and saying, "Yes, now I can do that 'is it rape, really, or does it get her hot?' story!!" that someone - Hogan - loves so much.

I agree with that scene with Chance and scrabble. No way would he advertise his virginity. That was just dumb.

It's like watching the virgin club on Glee. Ridiculous.

As I have said before, my backstory is that Chance had a powerful high school love. And thanks to Cat (and her ER/Luka reminder), I've decided that she wanted to wait to have sex, and that he was happy to do it because he loved her. And then she broke up with him or died, and he was plunged into despair, and impulsively joined the army at 18. And this is why this young man of means became an Iraqi soldier.

Now, for as long as I hold on to this backstory (for the show is giving me none), then Chance is not a "virgin" in the sense that he proclaims it as a choice. He is a virgin due to the circumstances of his high school love, his young age, and his impulsive decision to go to Iraq.

Which means he wouldn't broadcast it like this.

The only way i can see someone broadcasting it like this (at least a man) is if it is a choice from faith. In other words, "In my beliefs, you wait until you get married". But Nina's not religious like that, and none of the Chancellor's are (except Brock)...so I don't see where this is coming from.

I'm harping again. I'm as bad with this as lmfan is with Likey neglect, LOL.

But I really want Chance to be something. I've been waiting for him for a decade! (Just like I've been waiting for Patty for 25 years, and look where that got me!). This embarrassing "I'm a virgin stuff", played by a 30 year old man... Why doesn't he just buy a t-shirt proclaiming this, or maybe a purity ring?

Just watched the "virgin speech."

Who writes this shite?

Just watched the "virgin speech."

Who writes this shite?

Tell me the truth.

Were you embarrassed by it?

I literally got red faced. I literally felt like I was watching some afterschool special. I literally felt like I had stumbled on the kind of scene that gives fuel to detractors of the genre.

HOW THE F*CK DOES CHANCE KNOW IF HIS SEX WILL BE "MEANINGFUL" IF HE'S NEVER HAD ANY????????? HOW CAN HE BE HOLIER THAN THOU LIKE THIS???

They really need to make him a major Baptist or something. Then at least I'll understand why he's like this.

Everyone just needs to realize that your explanation will not be given. The writers suck at details, they don't care about it, just as long as plot is pushed at the viewers are stunned by their twists and turns.

I know it hurts not having all the answers and having to come up with them ourselves, but it won't go better from here.

Everyone just needs to realize that your explanation will not be given. The writers suck at details, they don't care about it, just as long as plot is pushed at the viewers are stunned by their twists and turns.

I know it hurts not having all the answers and having to come up with them ourselves, but it won't go better from here.

But maybe this could be a fun drinking game?

Every time some crap happens that leaves us scratching our heads, we could fill in the backstory? It would be like "behind the scenes"

If we'd take a drink every time there's a mistake in writing, we'd end up in the hospital having out stomach pumped... multiple times...

I literally felt like I was watching some afterschool special.

Actually, the term that came to mind was sub-afterschool special.

I was both embarrassed and creeped out. (I think I'd have been equally creeped out if the character was female.)

The sanctimonious, cue-the-violins dialogue was one thing. But Chance doesn't feel any flesh-and-blood human I've ever witnessed. I don't think the writers view him as anything other than a polar contrast to horndog Billy.

Actually, the term that came to mind was sub-afterschool special.

I was both embarrassed and creeped out. (I think I'd have been equally creeped out if the character was female.)

The sanctimonious, cue-the-violins dialogue was one thing. But Chance doesn't feel any flesh-and-blood human I've ever witnessed. I don't think the writers view him as anything other than a polar contrast to horndog Billy.

I'd really like a reboot on Chance. Not a detective. (Not without a uniform stint, and maybe some College).

Right now, the way they're writing this perfection, I truly keep thinking Dexter. I can totally see him being a deranged, sex-obsessed serial killer responsible for prostitute murders all over town. So that this "upright guy" is his cover.

And here's the problem. With this regime, that is an ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE twist. Poof. There goes another "legacy" character.

ETA: How can they have 30-year old Chance in a chastity belt, but 16 year old Noah and Eden are staining the Tack House sofa nightly??? I don't get it....

Edited October 15, 200916 yr by MarkH

Right now, the way they're writing this perfection, I truly keep thinking Dexter. I can totally see him being a deranged, sex-obsessed serial killer responsible for prostitute murders all over town. So that this "upright guy" is his cover.

And here's the problem. With this regime, that is an ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE twist. Poof. There goes another "legacy" character.

OY. I certainly wouldn't put it past them. After all, it's now a soap tradition to turn failed "good" characters into psychos. Y&R would just be following the pack, as the show has tended to do lately.

Edited October 15, 200916 yr by Faulkner

I'd really like a reboot on Chance. Not a detective. (Not without a uniform stint, and maybe some College).

Right now, the way they're writing this perfection, I truly keep thinking Dexter. I can totally see him being a deranged, sex-obsessed serial killer responsible for prostitute murders all over town. So that this "upright guy" is his cover.

And here's the problem. With this regime, that is an ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE twist. Poof. There goes another "legacy" character.

ETA: How can they have 30-year old Chance in a chastity belt, but 16 year old Noah and Eden are staining the Tack House sofa nightly??? I don't get it....

The Genoa City Craigslist Killer!

Chance has to be this way to prop Billy. Chance only exists to remind us of how we are supposed to love Billy. That's why he is this way.

But Carl, Rauch is the producer, not a writer. He doesn't write for any character, I'm sure the WGA wouldn't let him.

EXACTLY.

A producer also gets involved with casting and who does or doesn't get storyline.

MAB is both writer and producer. She's in charge of all of that. She makes that very clear in her interviews.

And really, this is the Los Angeles television industry in 2009. Not a southern baptist church in the '50s. If the writers do have some kind of prejudice, it's against 'the Winterses' - not 'black people'.

EXACTLY.

MAB is both writer and producer. She's in charge of all of that. She makes that very clear in her interviews.

And really, this is the Los Angeles television industry in 2009. Not a southern baptist church in the '50s. If the writers do have some kind of prejudice, it's against 'the Winterses' - not 'black people'.

MAB seems to be in over her head. I can't imagine she has a lot of real interest in most of what is going on.

If this was just about the Winters, then they could have brought other black characters in to phase the Winters out. That hasn't happened.

Mark H, keep your ideas to yourself or MAB will steal them and Chance will be killed off by a do-gooder saving GC from a serial killer come May sweeps.

As for Micheal and Lauren, I seriously think that the writers can't separate CLB from his character so don't know how to write for a middle aged in love couple.