LOL! Can't let this thread drift

I think, if pushed, I would prefer MAB. The heart of Genoa City, and its historical throughline (while far from perfect) are better preserved under her pen, IMO.

Whatever. LML never killed off a younger next generation character, and she didn't do too many meaningless deaths. Even John Abbot's death had longterm effects on her show. It might have been a stupid move, but she always followed though on the aftermath.

Nothing MAB is doing gives me hope that things are about to change, but I know you've admitted to being biased when Y&R is concerned. Take a look at the spoilers to come - it's more shock and awe with little emotional resonance.

good points Alvin

Whatever. LML never killed off a younger next generation character, and she didn't do too many meaningless deaths. Even John Abbot's death had longterm effects on her show. It might have been a stupid move, but she always followed though on the aftermath.

Nothing MAB is doing gives me hope that things are about to change, but I know you've admitted to being biased when Y&R is concerned. Take a look at the spoilers to come - it's more shock and awe with little emotional resonance.

It's easy to be blinded when someone is killed off and there's a few emotion scenes. That's to be expected, even though Colleen's death is leaving me cold.

However, Y&R is not about family dynamics, love, or emotional resonance otherwise. It always takes death under MAB and company to propel story and give us only one week of of some emotional scenes.

MAb and company are writing some anti-soap.

It's easy to be blinded when someone is killed off and there's a few emotion scenes. That's to be expected, even though Colleen's death is leaving me cold.

However, Y&R is not about family dynamics, love, or emotional resonance otherwise. It always takes death under MAB and company to propel story and give us only one week of of some emotional scenes.

MAb and company are writing some anti-soap.

I'd mostly agree with you, these last few months.

I also give zero weight to Colleen's death, because I am not feeling it, and because I agree it is shock and awe.

The scenes that have been affecting me this week involve Murphy, Jill-Kay, Adam-Ashley, Adam-Nick, Gloria and the Scoobies (yes, I thought they were a fun 2-day diversion), etc. Most of these were meant to be B, C, and D fillers. Instead, for me, they delivered more than that.

That gives me hope that the actors are compensating for some of the problems in the long-term thrusts, and also that the BDW/SWs are doing their best to back-fill in some meaningful emotion even when the long-term story is shock and awe.

You'll not get a disagreement from me on your major points! Instead, I'll just say that they have been able to shine some very nice moments this week DESPITE your major points.

MAB's stories seem like bad imitations of other genres to me (especially what Adam is doing, and Patty Jane going to psycho realm at warp speed), they seem like pointless agenda writing (Phillip's return), and they seem to meander aimlessly with no heart, no purpose. Hey, let's give Kevin brothers and sisters no one cares about and have the Scoobies involved in various capers that go nowhere. Amber may or may not get raped by Deacon, Jana may or may not have the brain tumor return, Kevin regresses to childhood and goes on an armed robbing spree, Daniel is imprisoned and arrested over and over, but it's all glib. Many stories have absolutely no apparent purpose I see beyond a way to fill time and to degrade characters (Devon/Tyra, Jill at the nail salon, Jill losing everything). Stories vanish for months on end, like Noah's emancipation or Sharon's shoplifting. Longtime characters die and a month later nobody cares. We are endlessly told about this great love or that great love without actually being shown anything of substance. The men are usually either swinging dicks or patsies. The women are all for a man's love, it doesn't even actually matter what that love represents or how the men actually feel about them, they just know that is what their life is about. The families on the show have no relationships whatsoever until it's time for a crisis which has a lot of teeth-gnashing and yelling, before it's forgotten and everyone drifts apart again until the next stunt.

The show feels very hollow to me, it just sits there between stunts. I don't think that's what a soap is about. I feel like they just have contempt for Y&R and are trying to redo what they have to repeat the stories they want to tell.

Exactly!

...but it's all glib.

That's the perfect word for MAB's Y&R. Glib.

That's the perfect word for MAB's Y&R. Glib.

And depressing.

At least LML and MAB have not made drastic cast changes,unlike other soaps that introduce a new family or put the spotlight on new characters not connected to the core.

We have had Heather,Adam,Mac,Billy,Olivia,Chloe,Nina,Pattyetc return

Although the writing has been inconsistent,at least the characters are still there and can be salvaged.

I don't know if Adam or Patty can be salvaged. Heather and Olivia are barely around. Making Chloe Esther's daughter was a good way to give her some ties to the canvas, but the relationship has not really been explored and Chloe is still basically a character with few ties to anyone but Billy. Mackenzie is treated as a complete non-entity, she has no purpose in life other than being Mac's girlfriend.

Definitely MAB.

She didn't start sucking until Sheffer showed up. All of Y&R's problems right now are the same problems ATWT and DAYS had under Sheffer.

Definitely MAB.

She didn't start sucking until Sheffer showed up. All of Y&R's problems right now are the same problems ATWT and DAYS had under Sheffer.

thank you! complete & utter word!

Now, om not saying MAB isnt to blame. She allows it to happen, she must like it, but since HS came on the show took a nosedive and is just awful. And 90% of whats wrong was also wrong on ATWT & Days!

Now, om not saying MAB isnt to blame. She allows it to happen, she must like it, but since HS came on the show took a nosedive and is just awful. And 90% of whats wrong was also wrong on ATWT & Days!

It's Maria's fault too.

There's no reason Hamner should still have a job.

Maybe Scott is an agent for LML and is out to destroy MAB and team along with the show

Maybe Scott is an agent for LML and is out to destroy MAB and team along with the show